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Remember that Senator

by TONI H / February 9, 2016 3:46 AM PST
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NEVER?.....NEVER?
by JP Bill / February 9, 2016 4:09 AM PST
In reply to: Remember that Senator

perhaps he meant "till things change"

You know how THAT works

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"til things change"?
by TONI H / February 11, 2016 7:20 AM PST
In reply to: NEVER?.....NEVER?

Meaning the same thing as telling the border patrol to no longer detain illegals? Things only change because BO refuses to follow his own laws and the rest that are already in place. He's NOT a king, JP, but has always acted like one. HE doesn't have the power or authority to change or ignore things he doesn't like, and that includes directing various agencies to follow his opinionated orders.

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(NT) NEVER apologize for the Truth
by James Denison / February 9, 2016 3:17 PM PST
In reply to: Remember that Senator
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He didn't
by JP Bill / February 9, 2016 8:56 PM PST

He apologized for his outburst....spontaneous display of emotion.

He could have whispered it to the people sitting near him...OR not shouted for all to hear.

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I recall a SCOTUS member only MOUTHING the words
by TONI H / February 10, 2016 4:05 AM PST
In reply to: He didn't

of disagreement when BO criticized their decision regarding PAC money....and he was damned by BO and the press over it. One thing you DON'T ever do with BO is disagree with him publicly because his skin is so thin. (And that Senator was pressured by his Congressional members immediately after that truth-telling statement to apologize.....it was NOT spontaneous on his part to apologize and he should have never been made to do it)

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Since you have ignored my
by TONI H / February 10, 2016 4:06 AM PST
In reply to: He didn't

original question, I'll ask it again........should BO NOW apologize to that Senator and to the American people for being caught in a massively expensive LIE?

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You ignore my refuting of your claims....
by JP Bill / February 10, 2016 4:40 AM PST

and I ignore yours....that's how it works.

ASK all you want...and so will I....

Obama claimed illegals would NEVER be covered by Obamacare and they aren't.

Obama didn't say that the system wouldn't be "abused".

Can you direct the folks in SE where there is some "documented evidence" that STATES "illegal aliens" ARE "covered by Obamacare"?

From YOUR link.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services confirmed to FoxNews.com on Monday that 471,000 customers with 2015 coverage failed to produce proper documentation on their citizenship or immigration status on time – but stressed that this does not necessarily mean they’re ineligible.

You just look for your "bait" then make the post?

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SO, what you are saying
by TONI H / February 10, 2016 6:21 AM PST

is that government agencies (IRS is now responsible for Obamacare with an extra 1600 employees being hired immediately after the bill was law) aren't doing their jobs that they were hired to do at taxpayer expense and gave the OK for millions of new 'customers' to receive those subsidies and coverage........all so that the enrollment numbers could look much better than they actually are. AND that once those people actually had claims paid, it took five years for ANYBODY to notice that 'abuse' was taking place........so WHO repays that abuse? Certainly not those who abused it, and certainly not the employees that allowed it to happen. 451,000 in 2015 ALONE....how many more for the four years previously, do you think? AND BO did LIE....because they WERE covered, even if it was via abuse. Do you NOT believe that a plan should have been in place ahead of time to PREVENT that abuse, knowing that government 'give aways' ALWAYS have abuse and fraud? Why hire and pay government agencies to oversee the program and not hold them accountable when they screw it up?

Hell, JP....it's not YOUR taxes that are being stolen, so why should YOU give a crap?

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RE: Hell, JP....it's not YOUR taxes that are being stolen,
by JP Bill / February 10, 2016 7:14 AM PST
Hell, JP....it's not YOUR taxes that are being stolen, so why should YOU give a crap?

Speaking of "giving a crap".

I could ask you the same question...Why do YOU give a crap what I think?

You don't, but you can use my responses as a platform to spout your feelings.

WHY?..... Because I hate to see anyone (you) lose sleep over something that isn't happening?

WHY?....IF I didn't "give a crap" you would make posts believing that no one "gave a crap" about what you post?
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sometimes you have to stand up
by James Denison / February 10, 2016 4:47 PM PST
In reply to: Remember that Senator

"Hitler said, he first needed the Enabling Act. A two-thirds majority was needed, since the law would actually alter the constitution. Hitler needed 31 non-Nazi votes to pass it. He got those votes from the Catholic Center Party after making a false promise to restore some basic rights already taken away by decree.

Meanwhile, Nazi storm troopers chanted outside: "Full powers – or else! We want the bill – or fire and murder!!"

But one man arose amid the overwhelming might. Otto Wells, leader of the Social Democrats stood up and spoke quietly to Hitler.

"We German Social Democrats pledge ourselves solemnly in this historic hour to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No enabling act can give you power to destroy ideas which are eternal and indestructible."


Hitler was enraged and jumped up to respond.

"You are no longer needed! The star of Germany will rise and yours will sink! Your death knell has sounded!"


The vote was taken – 441 for, and only 84, the Social Democrats, against. The Nazis leapt to their feet clapping, stamping and shouting, then broke into the Nazi anthem, the Hörst Wessel song.

Democracy was ended. They had brought down the German Democratic Republic legally. From this day onward, the Reichstag would be just a sounding board, a cheering section for Hitler's pronouncements.""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Wels

"On March 23, 1933 Wels was the only member of the Reichstag to speak against Adolf Hitler's Enabling Act (the "Law for Removing the Distress of People and Reich"). The vote took place during the last session of the multi-party Reichstag, on March 23, 1933. Because the Reichstag building itself had suffered heavy fire damage in February, the March session was held in Berlin's Kroll Opera House. Despite the incipient persecution of leftist and opposition politicians and the presence of the SA, he made a courageous[1][2] speech opposing the Enabling Act, which gave the Reich cabinet the right to pass laws without the consent of the Reichstag for a period of four years....All 81 SPD members of parliament who were present voted against the act.,,,In June 1933, Wels went into exile in the Territory of the Saar Basin, which at the time was under League of Nations control; in August 1933, he was deprived of his citizenship. He then worked to build the expatriate SPD, first in Prague, then in Paris, where he died in 1939."

http://www.gdw-berlin.de/en/home/

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RE:sometimes you have to stand up
by JP Bill / February 10, 2016 7:44 PM PST

and apologize?

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Wels, or Hitler?
by James Denison / February 10, 2016 9:21 PM PST

In what may be Hitler's greatest speech ever, he replied to Wels. Remember, this was on the heels of the Weimar Republic which had decimated the economy of Germany, the Commies having been somewhat in control at the time than the Nazis, who actually were outlawed for a period of time. Hitler addresses that. Very interesting to hear and read translation. Hitler was an extreme patriot to his country and his "volk", but he had a plan and after so many other plans of other political groups had failed Germany, he was not going to allow any deviation from his plans.

This stretches across 3 videos, they play in order. This is what happens when extreme polarization happens in a country and each gains power in turn, while the middle road is abandoned by a majority of people, who prefer the extremes. Might want to turn the peaceful music off. Remember, clk on the Youtube link to go direct to the page instead of trying to read it in a little CNET box.

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RE: Wels, or Hitler?
by JP Bill / February 11, 2016 4:03 AM PST
In reply to: Wels, or Hitler?

Not talking about either one....talking about Joe Wilson.

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(NT) I'm talking about BO....waiting for HIS apology for his LIE
by TONI H / February 11, 2016 4:20 AM PST
In reply to: RE: Wels, or Hitler?
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RE:I'm talking about BO....
by JP Bill / February 11, 2016 4:51 AM PST
I'm talking about BO....waiting for HIS apology for his LIE

If/when your face starts turning blue.... Take a deep breath and start waiting all over again....
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SO....
by TONI H / February 11, 2016 6:20 AM PST

a Senator who confronts BO with the truth has to apologize, in your opinion, but the LIAR doesn't have to..........

Now we know where YOU stand on 'truth' and 'transparency'........

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RE: Now we know where YOU stand
by JP Bill / February 11, 2016 7:04 AM PST
In reply to: SO....
Now we know where YOU stand on 'truth' and 'transparency'........

This is where I stand.


They can "think/know" anything they want There ARE rules of decorum

Thus, the right to speak is tempered by the written rules of the House which are, in general, limitations on what may be said, and when, by whom and for how long

the civility of remarks directed towards both Houses, Members and Senators, representatives of the Crown, judges and courts.

In addition, the Speaker has the duty to maintain an orderly conduct of debate by repressing disorder when it arises, either on the floor of the Chamber or in the galleries, and by ruling on points of order raised by Member


There is a time a place...shouting out during a speech in the a House of Government isn't "the time and place".

This is the time and place
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Since Pelosi was the Speaker at the SOTU address
by TONI H / February 11, 2016 7:23 AM PST

when BO was trashing the Justices for the PAK ruling, should she have done her duty to maintain an orderly conduct by shutting the president down by repressing disorder that HE brought about because HE disagreed with their decision? Of course not, because BO gets a pass every time when it comes to liberals..........

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RE:BO gets a pass every time when it comes to liberals......
by JP Bill / February 11, 2016 7:48 AM PST

and that's a problem for conservatives....just as the Bush got a pass from conservatives.

What's the "cure" for that?

The Tea Party?....

Then there would be 3 groups at each others throat.

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Right now there are actually FOUR groups
by TONI H / February 11, 2016 9:42 AM PST

You have established Republicans (Rubio/Bush) and Democrats (Hillary pretending to be both establishment and far left)), you have far left radical Dems (Sanders and Warren and DiBlazio types), and you have the Tea Party outsider types (Cruz for sure, Trump maybe).

Where do you think Bush got a pass? He was criticized by his own party plenty of times and people who quit or were forced out reflects that). I don't see anybody in BO's administration who walked away except his financial advisors on their own, and NONE have been forced out.

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RE: Trump maybe).
by JP Bill / February 11, 2016 10:56 AM PST

That Pig?

Where do you think Bush got a pass?

By You? You did lots of pointing the finger the other way whenever his performance was brought up.

Fer instance...just today..

Why would Bush change what was being reported as working well? He believed the people doing the reporting and they were lying.....

TARP was considered to be an 'understandable' rescue and was actually pushed by the Dem controlled Congress (the same Dems who lied for over ten years about what was happening) and was signed by Bush one month before the new Presidential election.....STIMULUS was an AGENDA and signed by BO within a month of HIS swearing in.

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"that pig"?????
by TONI H / February 11, 2016 11:27 AM PST
In reply to: RE: Trump maybe).

I've heard worse from liberals, JP.........

As for Bush....are you saying that you disagreed with the TARP bailout, when every Dem liberal in Congress pushed for it to be done immediately? And are you saying that you agreed with BO's Stimulus, and the $85B per month funneled to Wall Street to make the economy look better than it was/is?

I personally DIDN'T agree with TARP, JP...I thought I made that pretty clear, but what I also said was that it was understandable for a majority of the country. At least when Bush made that decision it was a one-time payout of $750B.......you can't say anything close to that for BO's spending over the last seven years and he started it within a month of his swearing in. TARP was done in Bush's last three months.

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RE: TARP was done in Bush's last three months.
by JP Bill / February 11, 2016 12:05 PM PST
In reply to: "that pig"?????

$750 Billion /3=$250 Billion /month...A long way from $85 Billion a month

The $750 Billion TARP was a 'stopgap measure" stopgap ‎(plural stopgaps) A temporary measure or short-term fix, a "gap filler", used until something better can be obtained.

Did you think TARP was a one shot cure-all?

I know you're no teenager/spring chicken/naive. ....

RE:I personally DIDN'T agree with TARP, JP...I thought I made that pretty clear,

So you admit you didn't agree with Bush? The Dems made him sign it?....Bush didn't know how to lose his "pen"?

It certainly wasn't evident in this post by you.


TARP was considered to be an 'understandable' rescue and was actually pushed by the Dem controlled Congress (the same Dems who lied for over ten years about what was happening) and was signed by Bush one month before the new Presidential election.....STIMULUS was an AGENDA and signed by BO within a month of HIS swearing in.

considered "understandable rescue" all you did was point fingers...NO mention of your disagreement...just "understandable rescue".

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Use your search abilities for CNET, JP
by TONI H / February 12, 2016 3:39 AM PST

I DID disagree with TARP from the very beginning and voiced it here in SE many times.....so you're wrong about 'NO mention of my disagreement'. I shouldn't have to keep repeating myself, but obviously your ALZ has kicked back in again..

"spring chicken, teenager, naïve" ???? Really???? THAT'S how you 'debate' something, JP? Typical

And, yes, the Dems pretty much made Bush sign it and when it was first rolled out it WAS supposed to be a one-time shot and it DID stay a one-shot....as for your numbers of $250B per month for three months compared to $85B per month being so much less.........try multiplying that $85B by 12 by 6 and you'll have the TRUE picture of BO's fiasco to our economy, and then add in the Stimulus of over $1T and every budget over $1T for four years, not to mention adding millions of people to the welfare and disability roles and extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks and longer.

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RE: adding millions of people to the welfare
by JP Bill / February 12, 2016 6:51 AM PST
adding millions of people to the welfare and disability roles and extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks

Well, that's terrible....helping provide food and housing to individuals down on their luck.....That's even worse than giving money to Big Business....

try multiplying that $85B by 12 by 6 and you'll have the TRUE picture of BO's fiasco to our economy, and then add in the Stimulus of over $1T and every budget over $1T for four years

According to YOU 85 * 12 * 6 = $6.12T

What I can find


January 30th, 2014 at 4:35 p.m.

"Mr. President," Paul said, "where are the jobs? You spent nearly a trillion dollars on make-work government jobs and still joblessness confronts the next generation."

AND

The Stimulus Tracker, Majority of which went to the financial industry

Still almost $1.5Trillion shy of YOUR claim of $6.12 Trillion.

My town built a prison...and it's still sitting empty costing $700K a year for nothing...no jobs, no prisoners, no income from visitors, nada.

AND

Was this built with stimulus money?

Opened in October 2013
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You still neglected to add in Obamacare, JP
by TONI H / February 12, 2016 8:11 AM PST

Stop trying to pull informational 'stats' out of your butt and prove me wrong because you're losing the argument rapidly.

As for the prison here....it finally opened two years ago as you found....what has that got to do with our discussion since it's STATE funds that built it and not Federal funds? You continue to fish with divert and deflect when you find your legs are no longer holding you up.

I'm done here...........and still waiting for you to admit that BO owes the country AND that Senator an apology for the LIE.

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RE:As for the prison here....it finally opened two years ago
by JP Bill / February 12, 2016 10:47 AM PST

and you were strangely silent about that FACT.

Complain?....YOU DA' MAN.....
Compliments?....that's another story.

No comment on your "MIS-figures"?...As a former bookkeeper...you should be more cautious throwing numbers around.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) was signed into law by President Obama on Feb.17, 2009. Virginia will receive a total of $694.5 million in highway funding from ARRA to invest in improving our transportation system.

Stop trying to pull informational 'stats' out of your butt

At least I provide "links"...... No "links" come out of your butt.

RE:I'm done here.........

You're done when I say you're done.

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I didn't know it was required that
by TONI H / February 12, 2016 11:02 AM PST

I tell you that the prison opened finally......

Sorry to inform you but Virginia received NOTHING from ARRP....remember that great BO quote of "shovel ready jobs weren't so shovel ready after all"? So your link was another BO lie, dear.

A great portion of that Stimulus money went to failed 'green energy' projects..........

Who the HELL are you to dismiss ME? TONI'S DONE WHEN TONI SAYS SO, SWEETHEART.........

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RE: Virginia received NOTHING from ARRP..
by JP Bill / February 12, 2016 12:27 PM PST
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