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REMEMBER Nick Berg! They CUT OFF HIS HEAD!

by David Evans / May 11, 2004 7:28 PM PDT

Never forget what those "peaceful" animals did to this young man. Here's a link that Mark posted to the video of these SUBHUMANS CUTTING OFF THE HEAD OF NICK BERG, which they consider to be doing the work of their satanic "Allah."

I DON'T HEAR ANY OUTRAGE FROM THE BIGSHOT MUSLIMS! Which is no different than all the other times these sort of subhuman atrocities have occurred in the name of their "Allah." WONDER WHY? See a pattern developing here? I certainly do!

It's beyond disgusting. It should never be forgotten. These vermin have to face American power and be in whoops-too-late-for-us awe of it as they die. And it needs to happen ASAP.

I couldn't believe, just couldn't BELIEVE that some messages in the thread I just linked to even DARED to mention how wrong WE were for anything that happpened in that Abu Ghraib prison while ignoring the heinous murder of this American. So typically and self-righteously quick to damn the US and become apologists for this sort of trash, but nothing much to say about the trash that did this to Nick Berg. I couldn't even post to that thread due to disgust. Self-loathing "Americans."...

So QUICK to attack their own for the cheapest of cheap political gain or whatever misguided reasons, yet so willing to rationalize, minimize, ignore or excuse by way of "well WE'RE really worse than them and HERE'S WHY / it's OUR FAULT that they did this sort of thing because we did THIS...." examples and by doing so becoming allies and apologists for this lower form of life. Are there no Americans left in the left?

Think of Nick Berg every time an apologist who claims to not be an apologist does this.

With us or against us.

It's time: No quarter.

DE

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Re:amen to that!
by jonah jones / May 11, 2004 8:48 PM PDT

#That's if liberal Democrats in Washington play this as they have played other political issues. I just want you to remember something. I want you to remember something so you can keep this in context, and I will admit to you I'm offering this to you as an antidote to what the left might try with this absolutely disgusting and sad story -- and I hope they don't. My hope is that they don't try to take this and make a political point with it. I hope they don't, but we'll just have to wait and see. But in the event that they do, in the event that the left tries to make a political anti-Bush point with this video of the beheading of Nick Berg in Philadelphia, I want you to remember something: Daniel Pearl, Wall Street Journal reporter, beheaded on videotape in Afghanistan or Pakistan somewhere, two years ago. Al-Qaeda did it. Al-Qaeda flew three airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and killed 3,000 Americans.#

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133744/posts

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Re:REMEMBER Nick Berg! They CUT OFF HIS HEAD!
by Mark G / May 11, 2004 10:29 PM PDT

ive said it till the cows come home screw them there not humans there vermin kill them scortch the earth over there and maybe then others will fall inline.
the frigan bleeding hearts whom whine about those prisinors should rot in hell.

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Re:REMEMBER Nick Berg! They CUT OFF HIS HEAD!
by Evie / May 11, 2004 10:34 PM PDT
I couldn't even post to that thread due to disgust.

It's why I haven't been around here much. Afraid I might let that disgust over some of what I've read get the better of me. Starting with the never ending evoking of totally inappropriate Nazi analogies and unfortunately not ending with equating the actions of a few MP's with expressions of Judeo-Christian American values. Sheesh! :(:(

Evie Happy (smile is for you DE, not this post)
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Re:REMEMBER Nick Berg! They CUT OFF HIS HEAD!
by David Evans / May 12, 2004 4:38 PM PDT

Well stick around, post, and be disgusted at times with the rest of us, lol. Looking downstairs I see that the same sort of nonsense I complained of in the first post is being repeated in this thread. Sheesh is right!

And smiles to you too Evie. But none for the "Blame America First" sludge down the tree. When I see that sort of thing -- and I see it FAR too often -- I just shake my head and wonder...

DE

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I'll try ...
by Evie / May 13, 2004 10:19 PM PDT

... but this latest barrage is almost unstomachable Sad

Evie Happy

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Question for you all
by Josh K / May 11, 2004 11:23 PM PDT

When Bush states that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are glad we're there and that the killing of our people is being done by a very small group of terrorists trying to ruin what we went there to do, do you believe him? If so, do you really think wiping out the innocent with the guilty is the best way to win support in the war on terror?

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NT - No and No.
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / May 12, 2004 12:12 AM PDT
In reply to: Question for you all

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Matter of fact YES, and so should you if...
by Edward ODaniel / May 12, 2004 2:12 AM PDT
In reply to: Question for you all

you pay attention.

Don't forget the letter captured a while back written to Al Queda by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The Web site said the man who had carried out the beheading was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. He is a Jordanian militant linked to Al Qaeda who was behind some of the deadliest terrorist attacks in Iraq.

American officials said the letter had been sent to the leadership of Al Qaeda, presumably Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, in Afghanistan. In the letter, the writer asked for assistance in trying to start a civil war in Iraq.

In the captured letter, he said his goal was to prevent the establishment of a stable Iraqi-run government and would do so by attacking Shiite Muslims, as a way to provoke sectarian war. The ultimate aim, he said, was to drive American forces from Iraq, a task he conceded had grown exceedingly difficult.

"So, the solution, and only God knows, is that we need to bring the Shia into the battle," the letter read. "It is the only way to prolong the duration of the fight between the infidels and us. If we succeed in dragging them into a sectarian war, this will awaken the sleepy Sunnis who are fearful of destruction and death." He referred to the Sunni minority in Iraq.

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OK, you answered part 1 of the question
by Josh K / May 12, 2004 2:59 AM PDT

How about part 2?

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I have more than adequately answered that in the past, but...
by Edward ODaniel / May 12, 2004 4:11 AM PDT

YES, if commanders evaluations determine the collateral damage to be in line with the mission and force protection.

No, if it is not so determined or other EQUALLY EFFECTIVE means can be taken without unconcionably increasing the risk to friendly forces.

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OK, so now.....
by Josh K / May 13, 2004 1:40 AM PDT

....how do you reconcile that type of strategic planning with Mark's "kill 'em all!" bloodlust? Based on your military training, experience and apparent knowledge, I don't understand how you can defend Mark's comments.

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Re: Misinformation
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / May 26, 2004 10:37 AM PDT

Secretarian, true. Sunnis and Shia usually never get along due to "difference of opinion" dated back to the 4th Caliph, Ali which is a political reason. But they are still united on the basis of belief in the same God. And because they consider this war as occupation... read the other side of the story.

Here

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Re:Re: Misinformation
by Edward ODaniel / May 27, 2004 2:00 AM PDT
In reply to: Re: Misinformation

That is not "the other side" it is the result of the misinformation spread by the liberal media which seems intent on ignoring the positive changes and accentuating the bad or twisting the neutral to appear bad.

don't believe it? read any liberal paper or listen to any of the liberal tv/radio "news" broadcasts.

PS - take a moment to note the bias of just about every site found in that little Google search. Not a credible source in the bunch (most seem to use various blogs as their source of "news".

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re: Old news
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / May 27, 2004 5:36 AM PDT
In reply to: Re:Re: Misinformation

Fact 1
No spider-bot agent distinguishes a site it crawls if it is a Liberal, Democrat, or a Republican.

Fact 2
Some news is old, some updated. All news report offers the possibility of truths or equal amount of lies unless you and I are at the scene of the crime. Even then, our story entirely depends on media manipulations.

Fact 3
My definition of a free speech is a society where it is safe for me to exercise that I have a choice.

Fact 4
It is the responsibility of any Editors to change their lines when it is wrong.

Therefore, my apology for stating that the information you provided was wrong.

Fact 5
Rather it should be?that it was a much older news.

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Look at you 'facts' and you might...
by Edward ODaniel / May 27, 2004 8:22 AM PDT
In reply to: re: Old news

just see the significance of the same crap being on the same biased sites rather than being broad spectrum.

Find credible sites if you want credibility.

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Re:Look at you 'facts' and you might...
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / May 27, 2004 9:11 AM PDT

"Broad Spectrum", I agree.

The Internet is Super Highway of Static/Interactive Multimedia information.

Bias and Unbias - it's information Happy

We read, we decide.

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I wonder...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / May 27, 2004 6:19 AM PDT
In reply to: Re:Re: Misinformation
" ...note the bias of just about every site found in that little Google search. - Edward O'Daniel

Could you please tell me ONE single source of information that is AGAINST the occupation of Iraq AND is reliable (non-biased)?
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Certainly...
by Edward ODaniel / May 27, 2004 8:27 AM PDT
In reply to: I wonder...

Whitehouse.gov, army.mil, http://www.cpa-iraq.org/ and a host of others are all against OCCUPATION of Iraq.

Occupation of Iraq is simply a "progressive" spin and disinformation same as "war for oil".

Even the New York Times, long a bastion of the ultra left, can't bring themselves to toss out crap about occupation.

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LOL! Call it what you want but...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / May 27, 2004 9:04 AM PDT
In reply to: Certainly...
"Even the New York Times, long a bastion of the ultra left, can't bring themselves to toss out crap about occupation." - Edward O'Daniel

What would you consider this paper to be if The NYT is "ultra left"? (underlining is mine).

And regarding the occupation of Iraq, call it whatever you want, but is there any source that you find reliable that is against the war? I prefer to call it an occupation though and I know that there are a lot of people (maybe not within your circles) who would consider it an occupation too.
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Re:I wonder...
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / May 27, 2004 9:47 AM PDT
In reply to: I wonder...
"Could you please tell me ONE single source of information that is AGAINST the occupation of Iraq AND is reliable (non-biased)?"

So far except the link that I posted of Google Search about Sunni-Shia against Occupation. The country is still in turmoil.

The defeat of Iraq from Sadam Hussein is indeed liberation for the PEOPLE of Iraq.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html#Govt see under Government.
Several Lines states:
"In transition following April 2003 defeat of SADDAM Husayn regime by US-led coalition"

Defeat=Occupied.

Okay. Fine and dandy, what happens next?

Who is running the country?
US-led Coalition/UN/and elected, selected puppets assigned by the occupying forces.

Did the people have a chance to choose who their leader would be? Was there ever a chance for an election? Whether it is a Democratic or an Islamic Driven Nation - Election is the prime key factor in choosing who will run the country. Votes entirely depend on the outcome of ballots (lie or truth).

Afghanistan/Iraq all occupied and reformed under Global Communism and Dictatorship. <imo>

You cannot drastically change a nation from something anybody wants. The aftermath is always chaos. Gradual changes may be. However, with the ongoing abuse and torture, unlikely cooperation among the people will be possible at this time.
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In your opinion...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / May 27, 2004 10:30 AM PDT
In reply to: Re:I wonder...

is it possible to have a Socialist government (I know that the Ba'ath party claim to be so, but I don't see one little piece of Socialism under Saddam) who would respect the Muslims and probably more important, who would respect the Kurdish population in the North?

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Re:Re:I wonder...
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / May 27, 2004 5:30 PM PDT
In reply to: Re:I wonder...
In your opinion...
is it possible to have a Socialist government (I know that the Ba'ath party claim to be so, but I don't see one little piece of Socialism under Saddam) who would respect the Muslims and probably more important, who would respect the Kurdish population in the North?


Kurds are ethnic groups found all over the Middle East even as far as China. They can be Sunni or Shites.

For the Iraqis, they call their current form of government system, the occupations rules. To the outside world, it is Freedom and Democracy made easy. I do not think Socialist type of government will be in the picture at this time.

It would be impossible for the President to allow the majority of Shias (supported by what he called the axis the evil, Iran) to run Iraq because it will jeopardize and anger his ally, KSA who are Sunnis, which will jeopardize his overall plans and global interest in the Middle East.

Perhaps for the President, it is necessary to find the qualified puppet to serve his overall interest in changing and moderating Iraq to a Democratic County. I also feel that the extremist Shias and or Sunnis will not allow this to happen. Therefore, I believe that there will be an ongoing resistance.

Here is an interesting political analysis by
Leslie Gelb: Power-sharing a solution.
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Re:Question for you all
by Mark G / May 12, 2004 2:56 AM PDT
In reply to: Question for you all

take no prisinors if they shot at us there dead if they hold us hostage there dead
if there fighting with us against the baddys they live
whats so hard to understand?

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Bro,Gen. Patton was right--If I may quote him...........
by Tony Holmes / May 12, 2004 8:36 AM PDT

"The bilious ******** who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about f**king! We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-******* we're going up against. By God, I do."

Later,Tony

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to all you sympathizers
by Mark G / May 12, 2004 9:44 AM PDT

you say we cant bomb? i say why not? you say its cruel? i say your a fool, thoses ******** went over the line and i for one feel if your are friend you live your our enemy you die plain and simple.

no matter where you hide or run to we will find you and terminate you.
and yes a b 52 bomber would do it and yes there be inocents dead well what was the 3000 people in the trade center? chopped liver.
well if you like those scumbags so much pack up your bags and go join them your whineing and complaing is a slap in the face of us patriots.

and to think i and others fought to give you this right, if ww2, korea was fought like this we be speaking german or korean

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1. Yes, 2. No
by Bo Boggs / May 12, 2004 2:59 AM PDT
In reply to: Question for you all

Numerous polls taken in Iraq, Including 1 by Zogby, have shown overwhelming support by the general populace for what we are doing.

They have also shown gratitude that Saddam is gone, Confidence that life is better now than pre-war and confidence for the future.

Would that Americans also felt that way.

I have also seen numerous reports of soldiers returning with a completely different view of the situation there than what is reported in the news here.

Bo

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NT - Unfortunately good news doesn't sell newspapers or make big headlines on the evening news.
by Diana Forum moderator / May 26, 2004 8:22 AM PDT
In reply to: 1. Yes, 2. No

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Re: REMEMBER Nick Berg! They CUT OFF HIS HEAD! -- Do we have the moral high ground?
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / May 11, 2004 11:36 PM PDT

Hi, DavE.

Yes, it's barbaric. But so is turning loose the dogs on a helpless prisoner, or sodomizing him with a broomstick (of course, the New York cops did that too, didn't they?) There are reports circulating that as many as 22 prisoners have died as a result of "vigorous interrogation," at least one in the much-publicized prison -- but the other 21 not. How does your demand for vengeance differ from theirs -- because you're an American Christian (whatever happened to "vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord?") and they're Muslim Iraqis?

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Anyone believes that all is being published?
"There are reports circulating that as many as 22 prisoners have died as a result of "vigorous interrogation,"" - Dave Konkel

And that is "only" what we have been informed about...
Anyone believes that we get all the information about what's going on? I don't!
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