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Real Deal Ep 6-which laptop?

by Ravensblood / May 23, 2006 11:39 PM PDT

You guys need to assume that listeners are ignorant and don't know the full technical story behind your statements.

I understand Photoshop is not a universal app yet and therefore runs slow on any Intel Mac right now... But to simply say that "oh the macbooks are slow" is not accurate at all. Anyone not educated on the details is just going to think that the new products are bad, which is the opposite of the truth ( I know, I own one). If you are going to base your decision on Photoshop performance, you should mention to people that if you need it today to run PS as your primary machine, yeah, it's gonna be slow, but as soon as a Universal version is released it is gonna be fast.

...and consider if you already run Windows (and plan on running it in bootcamp) and already own PS for windows it shouldn't be any different than working on a PC laptop.

check out these tests for Final Cut Pro: http://www.creativemac.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=43717 (link from TUAW) ....long story short, beat out a Dual2.0 G5

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Link to episode
by acedtect-20196213851867054973637995818137 / May 24, 2006 7:24 AM PDT

Slow on the link post, but here's the link:
http://podcast-files.cnet.com/podcast/realdeal6_052306.mp3

I think you're right, we could have been clearer, but it's not just Photoshop, there are other non-universal binaries that run slower under Rosetta.

Here's some of the test test results from the CNET labs
"CNET Labs compared performance of the MacBook to older Apple laptops running the PowerPC processor, as well as to the 2GHz Core Duo-based MacBook Pro. Unsurprisingly, the MacBook's integrated graphics were insufficient for gaming--it trailed far behind the MacBook Pro's discrete ATI graphics on our games test--yet the MacBook sped ahead of the MacBook Pro on our iTunes MP3-encoding test."

So not always slow but does have some issues. We weren't trying to give a blanket indictment of the MacBook by any means. Thanks for the creativemac test results. Very cool.

Other than being bugged by the slow Mac comment did you think the rest of the conversation helpful?

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I always find the coversation entertaining
by Ravensblood / May 24, 2006 9:32 AM PDT
In reply to: Link to episode

regardless of accuracy or agreement. Wink ...although I do want to yell back at my speakers sometimes.

You reminded me of the phenomena of drive-less laptops...which is totally alien to me since I've always been a Mac user.

I got my Macbook for digital capture on location with Capture One. They have a Universal Binary and it's fast. I will never use the macbook for photoshop, even after the update. That will wait until I'm back home at my powermac. I can't image using PS on any laptop display. They're all too small, and I'm kinda surprised that people are always interested in PS performance on laptops...unless you're plugging into a 24" LCD.

BTW, I did install bootcamp and XP pro on the Macbook. It is smooth although I don't know what I'll do with it. Probably play some PC game demos to say that I did...

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Now you're tempting me

Last night I turned to my wife (an Apple cult member) and said "I might get a Mac." Her jaw dropped after she made me repeat it and then an evil grin spread across her face.

It's all this talk of Windows running on the Mac with Boot Camp that's got me going. And at 5 pounds it's still lighter than my ThunkPad. It's well ahead of my normal 18 month replacement cycle though.

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likewise
by massnerder / May 29, 2006 1:58 PM PDT
In reply to: Now you're tempting me

I've never had that much interest in Apple computers. We had some Apple IIe's at my grade school but I've never regularly used Apple computers since then. I've had to support them every now and then, but it hasn't been terribly often.

Now that they're running on Intel chips and can boot Windows, I've gotten much more interested. I briefly considered the laptop. However, the lack of a Windows key and only one mouse button have put me of of one. I can deal with no Windows key -- I've been without it since my employer saddled me with a StinkPad. I *need* the second mouse button, though.

I'm waiting until I see what the desktops are like. I thought about the mini and the iMac but I like being able to tear open the computer and switch hard drives and change the memory. My PC cases are perpetually open.

Tony
http://massnerder.wordpress.com

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Desktop Replacement
by SantiagoCrespo / May 24, 2006 7:31 AM PDT

I like 15 inch monsters, since I don't travel as much but always need to be mobile, besides, this way I get a dual-monitor setup.

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Its all about the bag
by limburger2001 / May 30, 2006 7:08 PM PDT
In reply to: Desktop Replacement

The issue about weight is really dependent on what you carry it in. I've got a 15'laptop, and I don't consider it a desktop replacement - I drag it around the house, take it to work day in day out with no problems. I have a really comfy laptop backpack to put it in, and it weighs next to nothing while its on my back. I don't think I know of anyone that doesn't carry their laptop in some sort of bag anyway, so I think that some 15' laptops have a good balance between portability and performance. I think the screen size on my laptop is just right; I find small screens with high resolutions pretty, but a strain on the eyes - video and pics might look really nice and sharp, but my eyes would be watering whilst trying to read things (such as menus and other things that you can't zoom into).

Having said that, I would love to downsize into a svelte ultraportable, except I can't justify paying more for less performance.

Pat
ps: My laptop runs a Celeron M 1.5Ghz - I think RAM is as important a consideration as processor speed, and I personally think that people can get most things done on a 'slow' computer like mine - I even do some rudimentary video editing and encoding on mine, no problem Happy I did upgrade to 768Mb of RAM though, and I think that helps. Love the podcast!

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What bag do you use
by acedtect-20196213851867054973637995818137 / June 2, 2006 8:07 AM PDT
In reply to: Its all about the bag

I lug around a 15-inch screen myself, and I'd like to have bag that looked a little less like a laptop bag.

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A reply from the future....
by limburger2001 / July 15, 2006 2:18 AM PDT
In reply to: What bag do you use

Oh crap! Sorry for not replying sooner Tom! Its been a while since I've checked the forums - anyhoo, if you're still looking for a laptop bag, mine is made by a company called Paklite. Its got two spaces, one to house the laptop (located near the straps) and another space for your other stuff. The padding is adequate for the orders and edges of the laptop, though I am a bit concerned that there is no actual padding on the fabric that separates the two spaces from each other, so if you carry your power brick on the other side you have to be mindful not to have the metal prongs pointing towards the laptop. The zips also have those special holes, so you can use a padlock to protect your stuff.

Anyhoo, I just think that backpacks are better for carrying anything moderately heavy - better for your back and posture (provided you use both straps). Satchels are fashionable but stupid - you can't run without it getting in the way.

Rock on, still loving the podcast (even EMW!)

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Laptop bag
by gurl22 / August 28, 2006 11:13 AM PDT
In reply to: What bag do you use

Hi,

You should try a laptop port-a-cover from portacovers.com

I bought a black one for my apple G4 and it fits like a glove. There is a mesh opening at the back for the air vent, handles for carrying around easily, large front zippered pockets and I also got the removable, adjustable strap.

I no longer have to take it out of a bag to use. The padded cover stays on all the time. It has a clear plastic screen cover. It makes my ibook very assessible.

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