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Ready to make the jump to vista however.....

Jul 14, 2009 9:32AM PDT

I can fix most problems on XP and I know how to install XP on a fresh system. Will Vista be simple to operate with my XP knowledge or will it require alot of trial and error to figure things out? Thank you

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Why jump? Why not skip Vista.
Jul 14, 2009 9:40AM PDT

I've done the Windows 7 RC beta and frankly my advice is to skip Vista.

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Depends
Jul 14, 2009 9:41AM PDT

It depends really. There's two types of learning in regards to this sort of thing.

There's people who simply memorize where everything is, and their knowledge is very rigid. Even small deviations from the norm will invalidate everything. For example, someone might know just about everything there is to know about MS Word, but plunk them down in front of WordPerfect, and they just sit there with a deer in headlights look on their face.

Then there's people who learn the general process. They might learn the common elements to all word processors, instead of focusing purely on MS Word.

If you're more of the former, you will likely have a lot of trouble with Vista, but if you're more of the latter, you'll be fine. Of course with Windows 7 a mere 3-4 months from release, why not just wait for that? Win 7 is just kind of a refinement of Vista as far as the UI goes, so you should be able to adapt to Vista pretty easily, should the need present itself, if you've learned Win7.

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Not sure about windows 7
Jul 14, 2009 11:12AM PDT

I think I fall somewhere in the middle. The reason why I am going to vista is that I am gonna need a computer soon and don't expect windows 7 to be stellar right out of the gate. Even XP struggled in the beginning and I don't think it was until SP1 came out that it seemed stable. Should I make the same assumption about Windows 7 since vista tanked out of the gate as well?

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You're confusing things
Jul 14, 2009 11:35AM PDT

You're confusing things that aren't related. XP was plenty stable out of the gate, given it was a minor update to Windows 2000, which would have to be pried out of the cold dead fingers of some people if they had their way. The problem was that low end systems, specifically integrated graphics chipsets, at the time simply weren't up to the task of XP's new Luna interface. Same problem hit Vista with Aero. It took a couple of months before Intel and the other low end graphics chip peddlers had something out that could reasonably handle Aero at a price point that would work for cheap sub-$500US systems.

As anyone who studies interface design will tell you, people put huge amounts of stock into the responsiveness of the interface. If the interface is sluggish, then people just assume the computer is slow. We like our instant gratification of some kind of visual feedback to acknowledge that we clicked the mouse button or hit a key on the keyboard. If you have an underpowered graphics card, which is pretty much every integrated graphics solution out there, and it can't keep up with the demands for its time... Well, things seem slow. That, and all too many people buy these cheap low end systems, but expect the same performance out of systems that cost 4X as much. They want prime rib on a dog food budget. Those cheap low end systems are a great deal for the big box retailers like Best Buy, who will then make a fortune selling you all kinds of upgrades to bring the performance up to an acceptable level, not to mention sell you Geek Squad services to put it all in.

By all accounts Microsoft has learned a number of lessons from Vista, and Win 7 will be more of a refinement of Vista. It SHOULD, in theory anyway, run as well or better than Vista on the same hardware. Actual benchmarks so far show no actual improvement in day to day tasks, but Microsoft did kind of "cheat" and boosted the priority of UI related tasks, so the UI seems more "snappy" and responsive. Giving the illusion of increased speed. It will SEEM faster, even though it's really probably no different from Vista in the end.

I know there's always this Luddite notion that goes around about them needing to "work the bugs out of it" but people seem to think that this happens within a couple weeks. That somehow, if they buy a copy of Win7 a month after launch, their install disc will miraculously be different from mine bought at launch. It won't. It's just one of those ideas that sounds good, until you finish the thought, and realize it doesn't make any sense at all.

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I'm sure on 7.
Jul 14, 2009 12:40PM PDT

Unless MSFT gaffes it bad Vista will suffer just like "Windows ME" did.

Either stick with XP or move on with 7.