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"Radical Brownies"???????

Feb 12, 2015 7:33PM PST

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Are they allowed to call themselves "Brownies"?
Feb 12, 2015 8:06PM PST

Copyright?...Just wondering.

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continuing promulgation
Feb 12, 2015 9:01PM PST

...of black bigotry. Future welfare queens if that's the direction they wish to head.

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(NT) yeah, 8 years ago
Feb 13, 2015 5:35AM PST
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RE: yeah, 8 years ago
Feb 13, 2015 5:56AM PST
Future welfare queens

You predict the future...I predict the past.

My predictions are more provable than yours, since I predict the past.
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You do know there are more white people
Feb 13, 2015 8:31AM PST

on welfare than blacks. Also the welfare queen is a myth that Reagan made up. The real welfare queens are the corporations that don't pay taxes and still get a rebate while sending most of their profits offshore.

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welfare queens create jobs?
Feb 13, 2015 10:55AM PST

And yes, there are more whites on welfare than blacks because there are more of them, ratio of about 6 whites per black person. That's why we use percentages in comparison, and there the percentage of black welfare queens are higher than white ones. Anyway, once again, we weren't talking about whites were we? Misdirection again?

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I still say that the real welfare queens
Feb 13, 2015 11:50AM PST

big corporations and banks and oil companies and the mega wealthy.

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Did you even read the link
Feb 13, 2015 5:46PM PST

I provided in the other thread about how those big corporations and oil companies pay billions in taxes every year and the top ten? Tell a lie often enough and eventually the really stupid and those who refuse to face facts will believe it, Diana..........

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Did you read what I said that one in four
Feb 14, 2015 7:44AM PST

profitable corporations (like GE) don't pay any taxes and even get a rebate from the Federal government so they pay negative taxes. These are the welfare queens.

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that's because of tax credits
Feb 14, 2015 10:45AM PST

they had from losses in previous years. Guess what! Even availalble for you and anyone who buys stocks, sells them at a loss.

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And the head of GE????
Feb 14, 2015 6:12PM PST

Since you speak of that company more often than the others....

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/wach/jobs-czar-sends-american-jobs-to-china571/

He was BO's pick as the jobs czar, knowing he had most of his own employees overseas and paid nothing in taxes. You never complained back then, Diana....you've mainly complained about those big bad oil companies who actually pay the highest amount of taxes per year, and you've complained about WalMart. You can't have it both ways. Either companies are paying more than what you've believed or they've paid nowhere near what you want them to pay....which is it? If 'subsidies' should go away, then they should go away for everyone, including individuals (and that would include Obamacare free money). Flat tax rates for three groups so everyone knows what their 'fair share' will be every year, including companies (since most companies actually file as individuals), with NO tax credit/subsidies. Is that fair to you?

And what about all those personal tax 'payers' who never pay taxes but get an Earned Income Tax credit check every year, including the new 5M illegal aliens who, as soon as they get their social security cards, will be eligible to file 'amended' tax returns to claim that even though they never filed a return in the first place? Are you ok with that, too?

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RE: You can't have it both ways
Feb 14, 2015 8:02PM PST

But YOU can, have it "both ways", that is?

YOU said

I provided in the other thread about how those big corporations and oil companies pay billions in taxes every year

Since YOU speak of GM more often than the others....

GM's "success story" cost $9.26B to taxpayers


Big corporations pay billions of taxes every year?...What's you problem with giving some of those "billions of taxes every year" back to their own?

You're against GE because someone knows Obama, you're against GM because they they personally have no skin in the game,.

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Until a law is passed
Feb 14, 2015 10:48PM PST

that changes the legality of the 'ship jobs overseas' and the tax credits that allow companies like GE to zero out their corporate tax owed (even if they are paying taxes to the other country where their plants are located), the burden of the corporate tax structure is put directly upon those companies like WalMart, big oil, Microsoft, et al to shoulder nearly all of it.

I particularly have been against GE BECAUSE of their cozy relationship with BO, who even though he claims to want to go after the big corporate tax money, he has still allowed those who support him to skate free and be given top jobs. And Federal IRS employees have been rehired even though they owe millions/billions in taxes and people like Sharpton are personal buddies owing millions in taxes and not having to have the 'full weight of the IRS' making him pay what he owes (which doesn't happen with 'ordinary' taxpayers.

How do you believe I want to have it both ways when clearly I don't?

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RE: companies like GE
Feb 15, 2015 1:39AM PST

In other words...EVERY Corporation?

GE BECAUSE of their cozy relationship with BO,

THEY are abiding by the tax laws....just like all the other corporations. Stop picking on GE... Obama knows some guy so he gets away with stuff...HOW do all the other corporations get away with stuff?...WHO do they know? Be fair and balanced Toni.

Who do the Koch brothers know? Nobody? I see they are spending close to $900,000,000 on someone they don't know.

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Apples and Oranges, JP
Feb 15, 2015 3:30AM PST

Yes, GE is abiding by the laws....Diana has a beef with that as well as the subsidies many companies get that are also legal, even though the companies I listed in my post ARE paying huge amounts in taxes whereas the very connected GE isn't.

As far as the Koch Brothers are concerned....they can spend their own money (after taxes, I'm sure) any way they see fit. What does GE spend THEIRS on besides low paying jobs overseas and any country's taxes they are residing in, do you know? You failed to provide a link to the $900M so I have no idea who you are talking about. How much do the Unions pay (without their union members' consent since their dues are being used) during political campaigns for their candidates, do you think?

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(NT) You still won't admit YOU complain about GM will you?
Feb 15, 2015 3:55AM PST
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GE this GE that....Flog that dog Toni.
Feb 15, 2015 4:03AM PST
Many big U.S. corporations pay very little in taxes: study

(Reuters) - Many of the most profitable U.S. corporations paid little or no federal income tax from 2008 to 2012, according to a five-year study issued on Tuesday by a left-leaning tax activist group.

Citizens for Tax Justice looked at 288 profitable Fortune 500 companies and said that 26 of them - including Boeing Co (BA.N), General Electric Co (GE.N) and Verizon Communications Inc (VZ.N) - paid no federal income tax in the five-year period.

The group also said that 111 of the 288 companies paid no federal income tax in at least one of the five years measured.
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RE:As far as the Koch Brothers are concerned....
Feb 15, 2015 4:18AM PST
As far as the Koch Brothers are concerned....they can spend their own money (after taxes, I'm sure)

You're sure?...Why/How are you "sure"?

after NOT PAYING ALL their taxes, of course, they followed/used all the tax regulations in THIS case, Right?

New Leak Reveals Luxembourg Tax Deals for Disney, Koch Brothers Empire

A new leak of confidential documents expands the list of big companies seeking secret tax deals in Luxembourg, exposing tax-saving maneuvers by American entertainment icon The Walt Disney Co., politically controversial Koch Industries Inc. and 33 other companies.

Disney and Koch Industries, a U.S.-based energy and chemical conglomerate, both created tangles of interlocking corporations in Luxembourg that may have helped them slash the taxes they pay in the U.S. and Europe, according to the documents obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.

Widespread corporate use of tax maneuvers akin to these, in tax shelters the world over, are estimated to cost the U.S. treasury billions annually. They increase profits and benefit shareholders at the expense of the companies' home countries and other places where they do significant business.
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GM, JP...or did you mean GE?
Feb 15, 2015 6:12AM PST

I have repeatedly complained about companies getting subsidies and tax breaks/loopholes....evidently you don't bother to read my posts as carefully as you think you do.

I am all for companies having restrictions and regulations removed in order to bring industry and the tax base back to the USA; however, because those laws are in place currently, they are doing nothing illegal.

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RE: GM, JP...or did you mean GE?
Feb 15, 2015 11:20AM PST

Where you see GM in my posts I meant GM where you see GE in my posts I meant GE.

You claim some have/need a special relationship with a POS to avoid taxes THEN you point out that they aren't breaking any tax laws.

YOU claim

GE needs/has a connection with the POS (PO the United S), GM...ALL they have to do is follow the rules.

WHY does anyone need a special relationship with the POS when all they have to do is follow the tax rules.

Explain THAT...

WHY are you picking on GE? Why not lump them all together, STOP singling out GE.

LEAVE GE ALONE!!!!!

I can't put it any simpler than that.

THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, The shareholders wouldn't have it any other way.

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JP....
Feb 15, 2015 6:44PM PST

You seem to have one foot nailed to the floor and continue to go in circles.....now it's broken down to babble. I'm done......

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RE: now it's broken down to babble. I'm done......
Feb 15, 2015 7:16PM PST

babble?....babble, you say?

I've included most of YOUR hot ticket items in my posts...Obama, taxes, GM, GE, POS

you're done?

Goodnight Gracie.

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I'm thinking the words "welfare queen"
Feb 14, 2015 6:48PM PST

refer to a certain people's arrogance, feeling of entitlement and lack of desire to be productive. It would be completely different should one need a temporary boost until they could get back up and running but those who show no incentive and actually seem to scoff at the idea of working would earn the term "queen". Unfortunately, that word has a feminine connotation as there are certainly male equivalents.

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(NT) You mean like profitable corporations and oil companies?
Feb 16, 2015 9:48AM PST
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No...not at all
Feb 16, 2015 5:42PM PST

You'll need to coin your own term for that. A "welfare queen" is one who uses fraud and questionable manipulation of existing systems to make a living. The person mentioned by Reagan in his diatribe was not the typical welfare queen but one whose theft could would wake people up to the larger problem which was being perpetrated by a great number of people who took nibbles from the system rather than large chunks. Those who steal dimes don't get the attention of those who steal dollars as it's too expensive to track them down and you'll never get that money back. While I can't say I've met any personally, we hear of entire generations of families that live almost entirely on welfare. They don't live high like the lady Reagan mentioned but they do live and they milk the rest of us one dime at a time.

As for corporations, it's not unusual and it's not illegal for companies to negotiate with states or localities for tax abatements in exchange for locating there. That's no more illegal than your visiting several auto dealers for the best price on a car. Moving overseas is another story as taxes can be actually lost that way. To me, it's not the fault of the companies as I don't expect them to exist for the purpose of supporting our government. What our government needs to do, IMO, is just what states and cities do in order to get and keep business. You negotiate the tax terms.

On a final note, and has often been said, corporations don't pay these taxes. All such money eventually comes out of the pockets of those who purchase their products or services. It's not that companies hide from taxes as much as that your government is hiding them from your site. Don't be fooled by that. Personally, I'd like to know exactly what I'm paying for when I buy something. Those taxes paid by whoever manufactured what I bought are hidden in my receipt...thanks to our many layers of government.

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correction
Feb 16, 2015 7:41PM PST

government is hiding taxes from your sight and not site. Geesh...that's what happens with the first cup of morning coffee.

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We knew what you meant...
Feb 16, 2015 8:48PM PST

I usually wind up spelling 'night' as 'nite' when thoughts get ahead of the fingers on the keyboard.......

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Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right
Feb 17, 2015 2:08AM PST

It just means that they had better lobbyists.

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You mean like an illegal act
Feb 17, 2015 4:45AM PST

by BO regarding 5M illegal aliens doesn't mean it's right either?