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Question regarding smaller plasma HDTVs and resolutions

Nov 29, 2005 7:37PM PST

I'll try my best to make my question as simple as possible but I'm still fairly new to HDTV terms and facts. Here goes.

I'm reasearching plasma TVs so for simplicity sake let's say that I want a screen less than 50 inches such as the Samsung HP-R4252. Furthermore, I definitely want to view 720p signals which we know are equal to 1280 x 768 pixels. Here's where I'm confused: The Samsung along with many other like-sized plasmas have a native resolution 1024 x 1024 or less. Now assuming my math is correct, I wouldn't see 25% of the pixels when receiving a 720p signal on said Samsung (or at the very least there'd be some compression going on).

This all being said my questions are:
1)Is the above conclusion correct?
2)If so, would I be shortchanging myself with a plasma smaller than 50 inches?
3)Why is it that LCDs can acheive such high resolutions on smaller displays but plasmas apparently cannot?

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Question regarding smaller plasma HDTVs and
Nov 29, 2005 11:51PM PST

Good questions!!!
1. Yes, your conclusion is correct.
2. If you can afford the 50" go for it.
3. This is a long answer.
LCD or liquid crystal, crystals are very small so it is much easier to put a lot of them is a very small space.

Plasma. Think of a Neon sign, a glass tube with Neon gas in it and an electrial wire at each end. Run an electrial current through the gas and it will light up, called the plasma effect.
Each pixel of a plasma has 3 very, very small glass tubes
with a gas that will light up by an electrial current. It is very difficult to make them small. Untill the last year or so most plasma screens were 640x480 or EDTV.
Maybe in a couple of years they will get a 50" plasma to 1080i and 42" to 720p, but for now 42" at 1024x768 is a good as it gets. John

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Re...
Nov 30, 2005 12:44AM PST

...So are you saying that my 1024x1024 Sony (42") is currently "state of the art" in 42" plasma sets?

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Most likely it is!!!! At least for today!!
Dec 2, 2005 1:34AM PST

BUT it is rather expensive, list at $5500. OUCH!!!!

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Hehe...
Dec 4, 2005 12:17AM PST

...I know. Thing is, I had been looking around for a while and I happened to wander into a Harvey Electronics store here in NYC. There I saw that set and just fell head over heels in love with it on the spot. I initially tried to buy it from one of those horribe rip off places in Brooklyn (little did I know then). Thankfully, they lied to me and said "the one they were shipping to me got damaged in shipping and had to be returned to the manufacturer and they had no more in stock (lol!!!)." By that point I was furious and told them to cancel the order and lose my credit card information or I'd be in touch with the Brooklyn DA's office. Some 4-5 months later all is well.
After learning my lesson I went on another search for the set and found it at Vanns.com for $3495, no shipping and no tax. Six days later I had it in my home and I've been thrilled ever since. Lovely people to deal with. Can't say enough good things about them.

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So does this mean...
Nov 30, 2005 1:16AM PST

I can't use a 1080i DVI connection? I have a 42" plasma.

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Any decent TVs in the 20-30" sizes?
Nov 30, 2005 2:02AM PST

I'm in the market for a small LCD TV for the bedroom. Regardless of the smaller size, every set I've looked at in this size has horrible pixel-lag (smear) and terrible details in the blacks. I don't know if the pixel lag is attributed to the refresh rate of the sets or the way the set converts the signal. I'm guessing that the details in the blacks are something I need to live with. Also, a resolution of 1338X768 or 1024X768 should be plenty of resolution for a small set, but again, everything I've seen has unacceptable pixel lag. I really like the look of the new SONY Lcos set, but I'll need to save that for the TV room. Anyone seen a good small LCD set?

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720p
Nov 30, 2005 2:36AM PST

'definitely want to view 720p signals which we know are equal to 1280 x 768 pixels.'

Actually, 720p equals 1280x720. So only a native 1280x720 display will show every pixel of 720p without scaling(filling in pixels or taking them away).

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thanks
Nov 30, 2005 8:15AM PST

Oopsie! Thanks, I did mean to say 1280 x 720. jcrobso and Tyler2000 your replies were very helpful so thank you again.

I must say that in general, I'm disappointed that these smaller plasmas seem to be so behind the times. The viewing angle issue on LCDs has always been a point of contention with me so my hopes were pretty high for a plasma set. Oh well, with the DTV changeover date being pushed back to Dec 2008 I have plenty of time to wait for the technology to improve.