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PVR compatible with more than 2 TB external hard drive

Apr 22, 2014 11:29PM PDT

Hi, does anyone know if there are any PVRs at all that are compatible with the GUID partitioning system, and therefore more than 2 TB hard drives (I mean an extra one that I'll connect externally)?

I recently asked this question relating to smart TVs, and realised that the answer is no. I was going to get a WD TV live box, then I was reminded that my girlfriend, whose needs I had initially not considered (oops Wink ), wants a good PVR function. If not, I guess I'll have to get both, or just keep the hard drive connected to my laptop and get a PVR or TV with wifi.

thanks very much for your help,
James

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Apr 23, 2014 12:46AM PDT

If the option "exists" it would be advertised. the point being, getting too far in whatever is being pushed at the moment could be upgraded at a later date. At the same time, you're putting all you eggs into one basket sorta speak. Further, the TV itself has to acknowledge what it uses, in other words, there are limits excluding any PC use, etc.. The TV themselves may not be so accommodating until later. Not too long ago having a PC and TV connection just wasn't there as it has become now. As always, review the manual it may flatly state what it can and can't do. At the same time, the manufacturer's support website may offer help, if you query them. On top of all this your GUID ? is a PC use, not related to actual TV(PVR) world though only through storage it may seem so. As for WD TV live box, they're trying to bridge this with a solution, so it maybe there but again the manual should offer what it does or limits.

tada -----Willy Happy

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Apr 23, 2014 1:23AM PDT

thanks again, but firstly, it probably won't be advertised if it does exist, as few people have more than 2 TB hard drives, but it doesn't mean that the capability isn't there. Often it may not even say in the manual. This is why I'm asking on a forum! For example, the WD TV live box does seem to support GUID, but it is not advertised at all.

secondly, I'm not asking about TVs, as I already have an answer there (no), only PVRs.

Thirdly, the partitioning system (GUID parition table / GPT) is very much part of the TV/PVR world. Many TVs and PVRs allow you to connect an external hard drive. However, all the TVs, and probably most or all of the PVRs will only work with the older MBR partitioning system, which supports only up to 2 TB. To support more, it would specifically need to support GUID/GPT (something which I don't think would be difficult, it's just that so few people care that the manufacturers aren't bothered, which is fair enough).

If you don't know then don't worry just ignore my question!

thanks a lot,
James

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Unrealistic
Apr 23, 2014 1:35AM PDT

Do you really expect a cable company issued DVR to be compatible with a RAID box(?) First ask yourself that with the knowledge you already likely have about how large companies behave with their hardware/software.

Wink

Your GF will have to make an exception and learn how to manipulate the DVR separate from the file serving device.

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not too sure..
Apr 27, 2014 10:17PM PDT

Hi, sorry I've been away for a few days and unresponsive. About the DVR being compatible with a RAID box being ridiculous, I'm not sure if this applies. I admit that I do not know the answer, but I had been assuming that the RAID element was irrelevant, and that all the box sees is a USB storage drive with 6 TB and GPT (GUID) partitioning. Therefore I thought that it doesn't need to be compatible with any specific RAID box, just GPT/GUID. If this is not the case please correct me, but that's why I didn't think it was unrealistic, as to be compatible with GPT/GUID is not difficult, they just don't seem to do it.

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Hi James
Apr 23, 2014 2:12AM PDT

Part of my work involved code review of surveillance DVRs and from what I know, you are being wishful.

Don't wish. Just call the maker and ask if it does this. I know the models that I reviewed code for did not do what you asked.
Bob

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I've given up on the idea i think
Apr 27, 2014 10:21PM PDT

thanks, this is making me assume that there is no such thing yet. I think I'll take this as the answer unfortunately.....

I did just think it would be easier to ask on a forum so I could get a response from people with actual experience, rather than calling every manufacturer and probably talking to someone who has no idea what I'm on about.

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I have a WDLiveTVhub and PVR
Apr 27, 2014 4:04PM PDT

Hi there James .
Yes I have been doing the PVR thing now for awhile and I using Hard-drives for storage for 2 years or more .
Firstly I tried the TV with PVR recording function and It is okay . but it is slow and you are stuck with having to watch what your recording . So I went down the PVR with Dual HD receivers road ,
I have a Noontec V9s with 1 TB in it ,
it comes loaded or unloaded with hard-drive takes up to a 3 TB 3.5 inch hard-drive internally and has 2 USB ports one of which is USB3.0 and a SD card reader slot .
You ask about " GULD partitions " are you a Mac user ? I am 10.6.8 Mac Pro 1.1
and the problem I found is most drives we buy are formatted to NTFS or Fat32
and the Noontec or the WDliveTVhub will NOT write to GULD formatted drives .
They will read them but only if the file is in a format they can read , eg. .Mp4 , .ts .mov .jpg etc .
Most of the TVs with Pvr only read and write in .ts files .
The Problem with NTFS formatted drives is that the Mac will not read or write to them .
The Problem with Fat32 formatted drives is that there is a file size limit of 4 Gig .
As for the WDLiveTVhub it is a good unit if it is used as a " hub " , as a player it has little gong for it ,
it doesn't have a volume control function on the remote , so your constantly reaching for another remote .
The WDLiveTVhub has a 1 TB internal and 2 x USB 2.0 ports , I have a 2 TB and a 4 TB plugged into mine .
The 4Tb is a little slow at accessing files .
I Network the WDLiveTVHub , the PVR and My Mac Pro , Via Cat5 cables to router .
Now the interest thing here is .
The WDliveTVhub can see the Mac Pro but not the PVR
The Mac Pro can see the WDLiveTVHub but not the PVR .
But the PVR can see the WDLiveTVHub and the Mac Pro .
What I have is
PVR internal 1 TB for recording NTFS format
PVR USB-1 2 TB Current Series NTFS format
WDLiveTVHub Internal 1 TB for Music Clips NTFS format
WDLiveTVHub USB-1 2 TB Movies NTFS format
WDLiveTVHub USB-2 4 TB Archived Series NTFS format
Mac Pro HD-2 1 TB MacOS Extend
Mac Pro HD-3 1 TB Mac OS Extend
Total 12 TB for storage .

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Apr 27, 2014 10:36PM PDT

thanks for the detail! It's good for to see what can see what. I'm not a mac user though. Everything I have is NTFS and I don't think that that's a problem for anything I do. I probably should have said GPT instead of GUID, as this gets the right result in google (The G in GPT stands for GUID).

Anyway, I ended up getting a WDTV live box (not the hub) and this does connect to my 6 TB RAID box and plays videos fine (this makes me wonder if I was possibly right in my reply to Pepe7?, still not sure though). I'm going to get a PVR separately, and I'll test it with my RAID box anyway and I'll post here if it works (which it obviously won't!).

Thanks for your responses, and assume that unless anyone posts anything that definitely says "yes, here's one", then unfortunately the answer is no.

thanks for all your answers,
James

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Are you also looking to record OTA programming?
Apr 28, 2014 3:19AM PDT

If I'm not mistaken, the Noontec device mentioned above is for the Australian (DVB television) market. So depending on where you are located, you might not be able to fully utilize that device.

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not the best answer
Apr 27, 2014 10:39PM PDT

by the way I didn't select that one as the best answer, as it clearly wasn't.... It didn't give me an option to choose it.

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Re: external drive
Apr 22, 2014 11:52PM PDT

Is there any objection against using 2 externals of each 2 GB in stead of 1 external of 4 GB?

Generally, most people view only one movie at the same time and connecting/disconnecting a disk in case you want to see 2 different movies on different disks right behind each other doesn't seem such a big deal to me.

It's not too long ago that you had to physically change a dvd between movies in stead of being able to keep sitting on the couch and using the remote to select the other one. I even remember I had to change a CD every 40 minutes. I even remember I had to turn an LP every 15 to 20 minutes. What a horrible time we had back then.


Kees

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Apr 23, 2014 12:24AM PDT

Hi, thanks for your response. Obviously I know that's an option. I remember such things too (plus cassettes, minus the LPs Happy ), but these new systems are good, and I'd like to use them to their full potential, which includes being as lazy as possible when watching TV!

The main reason though is that I'd to use what I've already got, which is four 2 TB hard drives in a RAID 5 box (resulting in 6 TB). I've had it for a few years, and I'd just like to simply plug it in to something, if the option exists.

thanks,
James