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Professional quality camcorder for best price?

May 19, 2013 4:19PM PDT

I am looking to start a business involving filming sports clips and analyzing the clips with motion software to create training videos. I need to get the highest quality video for the price, I need to capture high speed movement in high detail. I'll also be filming inside a badly lit gym so ill need to figure out that problem as well. I am expecting 2 to 3 thousand dollars to start with for the cameras. I want to ideally have three cameras, but can make do with two, would love to stay below $4000 though. Any help is much appreciated!!

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Definitions & requirements
May 22, 2013 2:53AM PDT

"Professional camcorder" in my mind:
Lens diameter: 70mm or larger. More light is allowed in for the imaging chip to deal with.
Imaging chip: 3CCD or 3CMOS, 1/3" or larger. Bigger, under low light conditions, means it can deal with the little light allowed in from the lens.
Low compression video capture and storage: DV/HDV are ok for high end consumer and low end pro gear, but there are other formats like DVCAM/HDCAM (Sony), DVCPro/DVCPro HD (Panasonic), XF/MXF (Canon) and a few others.
Audio connectors are usually XLR (not a 1/8"/3.5mm stereo input) connectors.

AVCHD compression is not a good idea for fast action because of the way the compression was designed.

When these 4 items are present on/in the camcorder, all the other stuff (manual zoom control, manual focus ring, manual audio gain control, manual iris/aperture control, white balance, neutral density filters and a few other items) are available on the outside of the camcorder and much easier to access than being buried in the camcorder's menu.

If one or more of the first 4 items are not part of the camcorder's feature-set, then it drops to "prosumer" or below - regardless of the product line association the camcorder manufacturer assignment.

Generally, speaking, pro grade camcorders in the price range you state do not provide the capability (high frame rate capture) you want. A few can (more $).

To meet the "capture high speed movement in high detail" you don't want a "normal" camcorder. You want a "high speed camera" - that is, one that has the ability to capture a large number of frames per second. In north America, the standard NTSC frame rate is 30 frames per second (actually 29.97 frames per second, but that is referred to as 30 fps). Even under this standard frame rate, poor lighting conditions will likely result in not-so-good video. Adding light is the solution. When the frame rate increases (especially when the frame rate is significant, perhaps 3x more than "normal" 30 fps), even more light is required for "acceptable" video quality.

Photron, Vision Research, Fastec and others make high speed cameras. The *good* ones connect directly to a computer to record the video. They are not "general purpose" camcorders. I think they generally start at around $8,000, and you add the lens (more $) and the computer to record the video. One camera, one computer. There are a couple of "portable" units like the Fastec TS3 100-S.

Back to camcorders... A few examples at the low end of "pro grade"...

The Sony HVR-Z5 has a "smooth slow record" feature that can burst capture for a short time (3-4 seconds? at 120 or 240 fps check the manual). The Sony HDR-FX1000 does not have Smooth Slow Record.

The Panasonic AG-HVX200 may have some overcranking capability, but not what you have specified.

The Canon XF100 and XF300 series do not have high speed frame rate options you are looking for.

For high speed camceras, I don't think there is much between the low end of Casio Exilim and GoPro Hero cameras (and LOTS of added light) and Photron or Vision Research Phantom systems (used very obviously at the last World Series) that will do what you want. If you are looking for

For all I know, recording at 30 fps and slowing down using a video editor to about 15 frames per second (with frame blending) may be enough - only you can know that. I looked through
http://www.sportscad.com
http://www.sportsmotion.com
http://www.t2motion.com/products.htm

And did not come up with much - the first two use consumer grade camcorders. The last specifies 90 fps, but makes no suggestions...

Then there's http://www.allsportsystems.com/high-speed-usb-cameras.html
None are high definition video; all are small lensed and will need LOTS of light.

As for lighting... LED panels don't use a lot of power. There are "video lights" that can do the job. Lite Panels is one (good) manufacturer. There are others. The good, large, panels are not inexpensive. If normal stands are not enough, the lights can be mounted to a light tree like those used by some portable DJs (Guitar Center has the light trees).

I can't find a way to do all of this within your stated budget.

If you reduce the requirement of "professional quality camcorder" to consumer grade and eliminate the "high speed high detail" requirement it might be doable - but the lighting will be costly.

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May 23, 2013 8:54AM PDT

Thank you so much for the help, I looked at the two Sonys you listed (Sony HVR-Z5, and Sony HDR-FX1000), The feature I like the most is that they both say they film well in low light. I know I wasn't too clear earlier but I am not in need of a high speed camera, thats way too much detail and I wont need to slow down nearly that much. I said I wanted professional grade just to make sure the video had a quality look to it, just don't want it to be blurry. I will be zooming a little bit and the motions I'm capturing happen in 3 to 5 seconds, and i would at most probably slow it down to 25% speed.

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happy to help...
May 23, 2013 10:45AM PDT

I have found that it 30 fps capture is slowed to about 15fps, the playback is still relatively smooth when the video editor has a "blend frames" or similar capability.

MiniDV tape camcorders require a working firewire port at the computer. Connect the camcorder's DV port (not USB) to the computer's firewire port (not USB) using a firewire cable (not USB) to import the video to the computer. USB will not work. USB-to-firewire cable/adapter/converter things will not work. If the computer has a Thunderbolt port, then get a Thunderbolt-to-firewire adapter - they work great.

Typically, with *any* camcorder in auto mode, the shutter speed gets in around 1/60 second at "normal" (whatever that means) indoor lighting. A lot can happen in that time - especially with fast action sports. When you go frame-by frame (or slow motion) there will be blurring. You want to experiment with manually opening the aperture/iris as wide as possible to force the shutter speed faster (and reducing the single-frame blur).

If you just increase the shutter speed (and leave the aperture in auto), you run the risk of capturing an annoying stutter-strobe effect that makes watching normal speed playback pretty painful.

A good fluid-gead tripod (Bogen Manfrotto) is strongly suggested.

And to be clear: There is no "film" involved... digital tape (miniDV) and film are very different.

There's more if you want more...