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Problems with Flash in website design

Jul 12, 2009 4:42PM PDT

Hi,

I am learning how to build websites, and have been told (on another forum) that using Flash can cause problems with loading, code etc.
Also the teacher at college says that all you need to build websites is Dreamweaver , Flash and Photoshop. Any comments welcome.

Learner

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Re: Flash
Jul 12, 2009 7:45PM PDT

I see some contradictions in your post. In your first sentence you tell you've read about problems in Flash. In your second sentence you say your teacher is telling you need it. So I expect he will be able to teach you how to solve that kind of problems.

Flash is used so much that I expect no problems, if you do it the right way.

Two other comments:
1. I'm webmaster of a simple static site (www.oew.leisb.org, sorry, it's in Dutch) and I've never used Dreamweaver nor Flash nor Photoshop. So it's possible to do without, depending on the contents you need.
2. A dynamic site or a site using a CMS (Content Management system) needs a database (for example in MySQL) to store the dynamic contents. You can't make those with only Dreamweaver, Flash and Photoshop.

Kees

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Builing Websites
Jul 12, 2009 7:56PM PDT

Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the contradictions in my previous post. What I meant was my teacher seems to think if he teaches us Dreamweaver, Flash etc. we can build websites. But I am hearing from people who have a lot of experience in website building that WYSIWYG editors can produce code which can cause problems later. Like search engines not finding the site etc. I just don't want to learn how to make pretty sites which do not work well for the customer.

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Ahh. THAT ISSUE.
Jul 12, 2009 11:16PM PDT

Let me be blunt and not PC (politically correct.)

There are PURISTS when it comes to HTML coding. Just look at www.w3c.org and you find code checkers and they are absolutely correct that some webpage editors do emit less than perfect code.

BUT WHAT IS THE GOAL? (scream that out until you can't stand it.)

-> Are you looking at this as academia or from the practical view?

That is, academia might spend years getting every dot and slash perfect where the practitioner would deliver fast and good enough.
Bob

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Flash
Jul 13, 2009 9:51AM PDT

I was doing some research on Flash and came across this site which lists problems associated with Flash.
http://www.antezeta.com/blog/flash-problems
I don't know enough about it to comment, but I found it interesting reading all the same. I have Flash enabled on my computer because I use a language site which has spoken words when you click on certain words or letters. But I know a lot of people won't install it because of annoying pop ups and advertising etc.

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Re: flash
Jul 14, 2009 1:39AM PDT

Interesting reading. I've never been an advocate of using Flash to just embellish your site. But for certain cases, like you mention, it can be quite useful. So: use it with care.

Did they tell you that using pictures (Photoshop!) on a site makes the pages loading slower (the first time, after that it comes from cache) and, moreover, makes the page unusable for people using a text-only browser?
And that adding sound to your website makes it crumpled for people not having speakers connected to their PC? Moreover, google doesn't index sound either.

You can safely discuss that article about Flash with your teacher. It makes sense.

Also remember, that a part of what you learn at school isn't immediately applicable unless in specific circumstances. Most people do quite well without being able to calculate the volume of a tetrahedron or a cone, without being to calculate the time-shift when travelling with 97.8% of the speed of light and without making Flash animations for their website.

Kees
Kees

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Re- Flash Problem
Jul 13, 2009 6:47AM PDT

I have never heard of that nor encountered any problem with adding Flash. Maybe it's another problem or you are doing it wrong.

Anyway it's true about Dreamweaver , Flash and Photoshop. Those are the ones I use, but I also use Image ready or Fireworks which work great for some of your gif animations. Image Ready comes with Photoshop.