http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_SPECRPT_pedo-sum.html
And an Adobe Acrobat PDF file --
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/fbi.pdf
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critical of San Francisco, California and Mass. Urges Congress to immediately pass an amendment to the constitution concerning marriage between man and woman.
Bout time.
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Something that is overlooked in your statement is that most of that type molestation is by a non biological parent, often a second partner of the child's biological parent, either due to divorce (a big cause) or death (a lesser cause). Too often the ones involved in the abuse already were a pervert and targeted the one they married specifically because of the child or children. Just saying "fathers and mothers" is very misleading. I would prefer they limit the terms of parenthood to the actual biological parents for statistical gatherings.
At some point in my life, around 13 or 14 years of age, girls began to look different to me. All of the sudden they weren't yucky anymore. Something about me began to change and I began to have new feelings. Girls looked good and I began to get aroused by them. This was not a choice that I made, it just happened, it was nature at work.
For most of my life after that it was hard for me to understand how a man could feel the way I felt about girls, towards another man. It seemed beyond comprehension that any man could be aroused by another. At the same time I can say that I never really tried to understand it, it just seemed repulsive, or as some would call it, deviant. Most of the people I met in life believed that men like this had chosen to be this way. This was something else I couldn't understand, why would any man chose to be like this. Something just didn't seem right that this would be a choice that someone would make.
Then I met a friend named Terry. She is a very energetic, outgoing, happy-go-lucky type of person. She is also gay. After we became friends the time came when we could talk about it without feeling uneasy. She explained that she didn't know why, but around 13 or 14 years old, girls began to look different. She didn't know why but she began to feel attracted to them. She explained that it wasn't a choice she'd made, it just happened and to her it felt natural.
For once I could relate to how she felt, I had felt the same things happen to me at about the same age. Like Terry, I hadn't chosen whom I would be attracted to, it just happened. At that point it occured to me that maybe gay people didn't chose to be gay, maybe they are born that way. I realized then that I had never really considered this as a real possibility before. I think it was hard to understand before because I couldn't imagine myself in a gay man's shoes because I couldn't imagine being aroused by a man. It was easy to understand how Terry feels though because it's the same way I've always felt.
This realization caused me to give the subject more thought. Now that I believed that people could be born that way I began to wonder why. Is it a birth defect? Some kind of genetic flaw? Then I thought what difference does it make? If they're born that way then why not treat them the same way I would want to be treated? Why punish them with ridicule or fewer rights over the way they are born? Why not grant them the benefit of the doubt at least that what they feel is as natural to them as what I feel? If there is a God and he/she did make them this way how would he/she feel about me holding his/her actions against them?
Until such time that someone can prove to me that all gay people are the way they are strictly by their own choice and that it is not possible for any of them to be born this way then I feel it is only right to treat them like anyone else. If you disagree with this then we'll just have to agree to disagree. All I ask is that you ask yourself, "What if I'm wrong?"
Sure Clay, agree. I think it is possible to be born Gay and Gays should be treated like anyone else. I just dont agree with same sex marriage even if it has absolutely no affect on me (figured Dan would ask that). This recent PC crap of "rights' and Gays should be married is just that IMO.... CRAP, that I don't approve of personally. So I don't agree with you Dan, DaveK, or anyone else that push Gay marriage.
Gads, they are surely not treated like other past groups ...ie, separate schools, rest rooms, theater seats in the upper balcony , seperate bus & train seats, water fountains, eating counters, beer joints, night clubs, hotels, motels, swimming pools and etc.....
The laws and society are specific...want to live together OK, want to get married... female marry a male, male marry a female. Simple eh, there are a lot of male/female married to the opposite sex and are gay or bi-sexual.
Should they be denied as well...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040301-593551,00.html
That is very sad. Unfortunately there are many birth defect in humans as well as animals and plants. Re the recent two headed baby they operated on, and the numerous Siamese twins. I recall hearing about morphogenesia twin sex birth defects way back when I was a teenager back in the 40's. Don't know how prevalent it is.
But should they be allowed to marry each other or men or women?
So it's OK if they both say they're men or they both say they're women?
Then the law indicates they cannot be married.
I agree with the law.
Are you saying homosexuals suffer a deformity?
"If by chance, gays are gay because God made them that way, I'd like to know how he feels about all his supposed followers being so unforgiving towards this segment of his creations."
Well Clay, I though we were talking about marriage, not "gay bashing" or mistreating people who were born with deformities or born gay. Unforgiving for what? You think we are sinning before God because we don't approve of two men marrying? The way I understood it from a very small boy being told that God created man, then woman. It appears to me that if God wanted a companion of Man to be another Man to also populate the earth, he would not have made a woman, but made another man. Then I would understand a man being married to a man. I'll leave it up to others to quote versus out of the bible that are not favorable in this matter.
I've tried to leave religion out of all my discussions except this one.
Hey, I'm not a bible thumper.
Was raised a Catholic, dropped out of going to church/mass a little over 30 years ago....have been divorced... married more than once. Married this time 25 years. I started going back to Catholic Mass almost every Sunday for the past year, but do not participate in the Sacraments.
Yes, I believe homosexuals can go to heaven.
I also believe marriage should be between man and woman.....period..........
I have no desire to discuss my religious beliefs with you and have already revealed more than I had meant to reveal.
Goodbye Blake
Ah, now we are back to the very 1st post made in this thread. By me saying "Bout time" means I personally agree with the President on an amendment, and disagree with the homosexuals in SE, plus those who don't like the President (and some Democrats/Republicans),and those PC types who have come about in the younger generation with, IMO CRAP.
My internal sense of humor Blake...
I first typed 'leap off the podium' (since you used leap), then leap off your white horse, then thought oh...white horse...is for the always "Lone Ranger". Then since we all are talking in the gray area I evolved to "Leap Off Your Gray Horse". We do on occasion try to make horse sense in Texas. ![]()
JR
Like I said in my initial post, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Your position is typical of the christian position even though the possibility exists that God made them that way. I actually believe the President's request for an amendment is based on religious belief and for that reason I oppose it since it would violate the first amendment.