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President Bush just gave a national address on TV about Gay marriage

Feb 23, 2004 11:58PM PST

critical of San Francisco, California and Mass. Urges Congress to immediately pass an amendment to the constitution concerning marriage between man and woman.

Bout time.

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This argument digresses greatly from the original topic of discussion.
Feb 24, 2004 6:43AM PST

No, the original topic is acceptance or rejection of sexual deviancy.

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Re: This argument digresses greatly from the original topic of discussion.
Feb 24, 2004 12:43PM PST

Hi, Ed.

>>the original topic is acceptance or rejection of sexual deviancy.<<
No, the issue is accepting the love between two people -- calling it "Sexual deviancy" is you trying to impose your own views on others once again. As a society we've finally reached the point that we realize that the state and society have no right to dictate to those two people precisely how that love is expressed.

You know, I actually owe "Justice" Scalia an apology, because I thought he was exaggerating when he predicted that this would be the result of the decision in the Texas sodomy case. He wasn't right (and certainly not just) in his dissent -- but he was more prescient than I in foreseeing the long-term effects of the ruling.

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No Dave, it is about DEVIANCY and the PC 'legitimizing' of it...
Feb 26, 2004 12:48AM PST

mostly for political gain.

Why does NAMBLA come up in discussions of homosexuals? READ the NAMBLA agenda and you will see if you but open your eyes.

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Deviancy?
Feb 25, 2004 4:25AM PST

What about straight couples who like to dress up as bunnies and have sex, or are into bondage, or want to wear diapers, weird stuff like that?

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In the EXAMPLES you give...
Feb 26, 2004 12:51AM PST

fantacy and play acting are a far cry from deviancy such as anal sex or beastiality or rape.

Not even comparable Josh, not even close.

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Re:In the EXAMPLES you give...
Feb 26, 2004 5:56AM PST

What about straight couples who engage in anal sex?

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Re:Re:In the EXAMPLES you give...
Feb 26, 2004 6:12AM PST

I believe that also is wrong. In the Septuagint version of the OT, passages that in Masoretic that forbid sex during woman's "time of uncleaness" are given as forbidding of sex with a woman in the "place of her uncleaness" which actually covers both anal intercourse and probably during menstrual cycles. Anal sex has the same destructive capabilities through disease pathways for women as for men. One could argue that anal sex with a woman is a hidden homosexual desire.

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Re:Re:Re:In the EXAMPLES you give...
Feb 26, 2004 10:21PM PST

OK, so let's take that thought to the next logical step. Ed seems to be basing his opposition to gay marriage on the fact that homosexuals engage in "deviant" sexual behavior. So should heterosexuals who engage in the same "deviant" sexual behavior be allowed to marry?

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Oh really! What makes it wrong? Please elaborate!
Feb 24, 2004 8:08AM PST

This I've got to see.

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Re:Oh really! What makes it wrong? Please elaborate!
Feb 24, 2004 10:45PM PST

Bringing children into to the argument and waving child molestation relationships is blowing smoke, fogging the issue and trying use emotion over protecting children to cloud the issue.

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And what is 'an adult'?
Feb 24, 2004 6:41AM PST

It is an arbitrary age set by law.

For some purposes at the present time that age is either 16, 14, 18, 21 or in some locations 12.

This law determining the age of consent has changed several times over the years and can be expected to do so in the future.

Consenting adults is a frame of mind Rick. Once4 homosexuality is accepted as "the norm" the camel's nose is pretty far up under the tent.

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Feb 24, 2004 12:53AM PST
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Isn't it ironic when.....
Feb 24, 2004 1:55AM PST

....people on the far right object to consenting adults doing to each other what their party leaders are trying to do to the country?

Wink

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Ba da bum...tish* or NT or whatever, there ain't no text
Feb 24, 2004 1:58AM PST

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Re: Isn't it ironic when.....
Feb 24, 2004 2:57AM PST

What do you mean trying, Josh? Have you looked at the deficits and job numbers lately? BTW, consumer confidence took another big hit last month, based mainly on the dismal jobs growth outlook.

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Feb 24, 2004 3:38AM PST
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Feb 24, 2004 3:41AM PST

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Ok...I'll say it then.....Gee Josh, you sound like DaveK...it's the Republicans screwing us up.....lol. ;-) (nt)
Feb 24, 2004 4:17AM PST

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Not really. We just don't want to call it marriage.
Feb 24, 2004 4:52AM PST

Other names, as you said, are more appropriate.

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So you have noticed that consenting adults...
Feb 24, 2004 6:35AM PST

are trying to save each other from the taxes and rule and social schemes of Democrits as the Conservative party leaders are doing.

Although it is out in the open and easily visible to all, it takes a pretty shrewd democrat to actually see it themselves so I feel I must congratulate you.

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"hidden desires", NAMBLA "bookmarked", "consider getting professional help"?????
Feb 24, 2004 3:35AM PST

Reported in modalert, as is appropriate. You are over the line with this.

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Dan, that's heavy on emotion, and low on facts.
Feb 24, 2004 4:50AM PST

Endowed by their creator? On what do you base that. Heavy abuse in heterosexual marriage? On what do you base that? etc. It's easy to throw charges around.

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I too find that this always seems to be associated with your stand...
Feb 24, 2004 6:27AM PST

as you can't seem to understand the threat to children that "legitimizing" a perversion holds.

The record on sexual molestation of children speak pretty clearly when a tiny portion of the molestors are hetero while the majority are homosexual predators from a small percentage of the overall population.

Your failure to admit that as a proponent of homosexuality you are also a proponent for NAMBLA's agenda and since you can't see it by yourself or won't admit it to yourself, it is you who should be seeking help. ASAP.

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Jumping in here
Feb 24, 2004 6:42AM PST

Hello Ed,

*The record on sexual molestation of children speak pretty clearly when a tiny portion of the molestors are hetero while the majority are homosexual predators from a small percentage of the overall population*

While not disputing this statement I would like to see the statistics it is derived from. I was under the impression that a large majority of molestation was perpetrated by family members including mothers and fathers.

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Here you go...
Feb 24, 2004 7:02AM PST

It has been shown several times that a greatly disproportionate percentage of sexual abusers of children come from the small percentage of the population that is homosexual.

Under the age of 12 it is a pedophile who attacks them but over the age of 12 it becomes a homosexual act. This is used to "blur" the focus.

Here is one link http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php and a Google search using "pedophile" with "homosexual" will get you a few thousand more.

Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women identified themselves as ?homosexual? or ?bisexual. A 1995 survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior 12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within the past five years. In other words, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.

Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are ?heterosexual? males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals. However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat to children than do heterosexuals.

...He studied 199 cases. ...He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.

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Thanks Ed
Feb 24, 2004 7:06AM PST

I'll read them at home - no internet here at work.

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Re: Thanks Ed
Feb 24, 2004 12:48PM PST

Hi, Patrick.

Please don't take that link at face value -- odds are that the "study" is highly biased, starting from the conclusion and working backwords to prove it.

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You ought to take the time to READ before offering odds Dave...
Feb 26, 2004 12:54AM PST

you are showing your bigotry again.

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Re: Here you go...
Feb 24, 2004 12:47PM PST

Hi, Ed.

"traditionalvalues.org" -- now THERE's a site that doubtless presents rigorously peer-reviewed unbiased statistical analyses of scientific studies. Yeah, right!

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ANOTHER PROOF of your bias and bigotry Dave...
Feb 26, 2004 1:00AM PST

you didn't bother actually reading the info at the link OR looking at the sources cited before allowing your knees to start spasming.

The more you post lately the less I believe you have EVER done any actual research on ANYTHING!

Rather than not reading and simply providing your personal and bigoted response, why don't you offer up some kind of EVIDENCE that the figures are not accurate? Good luck doing so, but you will NOT have any success.