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Chrysler
Apr 26, 2006 5:18AM PDT

You assume that it's a good thing that Chrysler was bailed out, but who knows? Maybe American Motors would have had a chance to live. Maybe the industry as a whole would have been better off. No one knows.

I do know that Chrysler went on to make some awful cars. My dad had one of those K-cars and it was a piece of garbage. And lets not even talk about the Neon. Chrysler never managed to become a first-class automaker even to this day. Maybe the Germans will change that.

It's always a crapshoot when government intervenes in industry, especially when they champion one brand over others.

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The one truly farsighted agenda
Apr 25, 2006 11:18PM PDT

Jimmy Carter had back in the 1970s was an attempt to mold a comprehensive energy policy along with developing alternative energy sources. He was a nuclear engineer after all so one has to assume he knew something about energy systems.

I count the CAFE roll backs in the same category as the current political pandering. I find it dismaying that current market analysts are already predicting that oil prices will go back down in a year or two with the resulting false sense of security that easy energy provides. The bottom line is current prices are a result of an arbitrary value placed on oil futures by speculation combined with disingenuous explanations of how expensive it is to reformulate gasolines. It's only expensive the first time you change the formulas. Retooling production line costs were supposed to be offset by the recent energy bill credits yet we will be paying for the full capital investments for as long as the energy companies can justify it.

The long and the short is that these prices have been coming for a long time and we have known about it all along.

The thing that amazes me most when oil is discussed is the view that we are only talking about energy and gasoline. The truth is that a large portion of our household material goods are made from oil products. Once the oil is gone much of the plastics and other products will be gone as well. Then lets see how loud the complaints get.

grim

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not quite the long and short of it
Apr 26, 2006 1:19AM PDT
The bottom line is current prices are a result of an arbitrary value placed on oil futures by speculation combined with disingenuous explanations of how expensive it is to reformulate gasolines.

You forgot the main reason: Increasing international demand, mostly from China and India, due to their booming economies. Thats one reason Bush went to India to help them with their energy needs in order to reduce their consumption of oil...something we need to do, here, though nobody wants it in their back yard. Guess thats our own fault.

The long and the short is that these prices have been coming for a long time and we have known about it all along.

That is true.
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Market prices
Apr 26, 2006 1:52AM PDT

are set by FUTURES TRADERS who are, by definition, speculators who anticipate an arbitrary price set by anticipated market demand. While demand may go up in certain areas of the globe they are somewhat offset by the downward economy of other portions of the world.

Gasoline prices in our country were accounted for last year by the damage to oil refineries. This year they say it is due in part to new reformulation (wasn't ethanol supposed to make gasoline cheaper?) along with the fact that current US refineries were reported only working at 85% of capacity. Mid east oil producers are reportedly not producing to capacity either.

In my area we have seen a jump of

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Say Dave and Grim...
Apr 26, 2006 1:35AM PDT

Dave, you said "at the expense of the enviroment, you'll note."
Grim's Representative is Alan B. Mollohan the rankng Democrat, who recently made the news (and a Forum discussion) in relation to ethics.
I took a look at his Congressional web page and found:
"Mollohan also advocates a "common-sense" approach to environmental regulations that impact coal. He opposes politically driven air requirements that place undue burden on Ohio and Monongahela Valley coal and utility industries, arguing that these additional rules steal scores of jobs while yielding only marginal benefits.".

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You don't blame a dog for being a dog
Apr 26, 2006 1:57AM PDT

and you don't blame a politician for being a politician. Mollohan is looking out for local industry as all politicians do.

Doesn't mean you have to like or agree with everything they do. Wink

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Me and gasoline
Apr 26, 2006 2:16AM PDT

People had a hissy fit when there were long gas lines. Auto makers had a hissy fit when mandated to increase gas mileage (early catalytic converters were problematic). More hissy fits when the interstate speed limits were lowered. Many were and are not happy with emission testing. For years drivers have been given tipos on getting better mileage (tune-ups, no "peeling out", proper tire inflation, do errands in one trip etc.)

As soon as a crisis ebbs, we go back to our old ways. When anybody calls for conservation, they are Chicken Littles. Conservation and alternatives have not been favorite serious political topics. As long as we can fill up, we don't care.

To be fair, many commutes are long. A lot of people make their living on the road. People need vacations. Goods are shipped long distances. Farmers have to run machinery. This is a vast country, and cannot be compared to miles driven in, say, Germany.

I've heard that the oil in Saudi Arabia will run out during the lifetime of some here. With the ever increasing demand for oil in China, for instance, even with increased drilling in everywhere imaginable, it seems possible that in a couple of centuries it all could be gone. And with it all of the products made from it.

Sure, the oil lobbyists have been powerful on the Hill, but through many administrations. Sure, the President and most of his cabinet have ties to oil. But, IMO, we have not been pleased with past efforts to reduce our consumption, so are not blameless.

Congress put the oil subsidies in place less than a year ago. The President called for and end to them yesterday. (That took political guts, IMO. ) This morning some congressmen say they are "willing to take another look".

This morning I saw a piece on an electric car. The difference is that the power comes from lithium batteries. Much smaller battery pack. The develper said that many cars could be fitted with them. There also was a car with a lithium engine, that reportedly could reach 160 mph. Perhaps such efforts deserve funding. I'm posting the story in another thread.

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