HOWEVER that Wdtest could have scanned the drive and caused the sector relocate to kick in. To sniff that out I'd need to report from the SMART tests.
Bob
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My original post was about my new Samsung S2. Here it is verbatim :-
I lent my friend my S2 to play to videos I had converted for him to play
on his PS3. He had no problems with previous videos I had done for him
but when I lent him my S2 recently, he said it seemed to lose power and
stalled when trying to copy certain files. I took the drive home and ran
the extended SMART test on the drive. It took over 6 hours and not once
did it lose power. Neither did it fail the test. I tried to copy some
more stuff to the drive (on my PC) for him and it crashed when trying to
access the folder where I had the files. We tried it again last night
on his PS3 and the drive accessed some of the files and then made a
clicking noise and disappeared from the PS3's dashboard. Then it
appeared again and clicked again. This happened several times. Windows
finds no issues when running chkdsk. I am running a low level format on
the drive using the diagnostics software (ESWIN) and it has been running
for over 2 hours so far and has not yet lost power or made any clicking
noises. What could be wrong ?
Addendum :-
The Low Level Format has completed and there are no issues with my S2. No surprise, there. Why oh why doesn't CHKDSK inform me of a corruption in my data on my XP install ? I have however, noticed a few Event 51 ID's in my system logs. An error was detected on /Device\Harddisk1\ during a paging operation. I only have one HD in my computer and again, when running the extended SMART test on it (A WD Raptor this time) it comes back with NO errors.
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Haven't used Acronis on my current installation. I have Macrium Reflect Free on my pc. I did use it but I don't use it now although it is still installed. Could it be the SPTD driver I have installed as part of Daemon tools ? I'll run the Western Digital Diagnostics again and post the results of the test here sometime tonight or tomorrow. Thanks Bob.
If you want I can also post my HDTune result as well. An example of the same model number of my Raptor drive is here :-
http://www.hdtune.com/results/Western_Digital_WD1500ADFD.gif
Don't know how I'm gonna post mine here if it is useful to you, though.
Sorry but all bets are off with that app. I can't help with those things. The troubles I've seen are not important and what I think of that app often upsets folk so I won't write more about it.
Bob
Not everyone who uses Daemon Tools breaks copyright law. Anyhow, that's off-topic. I can't attatch a screenshot here, so I uploaded it to 4shared. Here is the link :-
http://www.4shared.com/photo/jOS3Z2tI/WDSMART.html
It's caused good machines to go bad and folk to get upset as I won't help when I find that app. My reason is the same for a few titles but it doesn't matter. Folk make their choices and let's let them live with troubles.
The screen shot is of too low quality. I can 't read the numbers.
Bob
If you download the file you can enlarge it in windows picture viewer for example. It has no viruses and 4shared scan uploaded files with Kasperky. If not, how can I make it easier for you to see ?
Not to dive into that but all bets are off when a drive is failing.
As to the DMA CRC failure, if there are IDE cables I toss them out and install shiny new 80 conductor cables because the cost is so low and it's not worth trying to figure out if it's the cables.
Bob
In answer to your later question, I'm using sata and I have swapped sockets just in case. Do you reckon a format and re-install of windows will help or is it a failing drive that needs replacing ?
Here I see it failed and that's all I need to know. There are folk that will want more than that and for those we send them to the maker.
Bob
I shall back up what I can, then invest in a new hard drive. I wish you a very good evening and all the best to you.
HDTune gives me a warning for the Ultra DMA CRC Error Count.
Here is the 'Read' tests output :-
http://www.4shared.com/photo/DfoR2Tat/HDTuneRead.html
Those spikes don't look good to me.
I can't run the 'Write' test without formatting my drive.
Current Worst Threshold Data Status
(01) Raw Read Error Rate 200 200 51 0 ok
(03) Spin Up Time 167 163 21 4683 ok
(04) Start/Stop Count 99 99 40 1802 ok
(05) Reallocated Sector Count 200 200 140 0 ok
(07) Seek Error Rate 200 200 51 0 ok
(09) Power On Hours Count 87 87 0 9978 ok
(0A) Spin Retry Count 100 100 51 0 ok
(0B) Calibration Retry Count 100 100 51 0 ok
(0C) Power Cycle Count 99 99 0 1782 ok
(C2) Temperature 106 92 0 41 ok
(C4) Reallocated Event Count 200 200 0 0 ok
(C5) Current Pending Sector 200 200 0 0 ok
(C6) Offline Uncorrectable 200 200 0 0 ok
(C7) Ultra DMA CRC Error Count 200 253 0 9 warning
(C
Write Error Rate 200 200 51 0 ok
Health Status:- warning
I see a possible clue where you said it crashed when trying to access a folder where you had some files.
This is a well known problem with Explorer in all Windows OSes, where Explorer attempts to display video or image files as thumbnails or large icons. Explorer tries to render the icon from the file itself, but if the file is corrupted, then Explorer can fail.
If you are using Explorer to transfer files across, and that folder is set to display thumbnails or icons, then as a test change the view options to details. If Explorer doesn't crash then, the problem is narrowed down to a corrupt file.
Mark
Thanks very much for the tip, I shall try that. Any idea about the Event 51's ?
"May God have mercy on their souls"
1. You ask a FINE question which is " Why oh why doesn't CHKDSK inform me of a corruption in my data on my XP install ?"
CHKDSK is a COMPROMISE of checking versus SPEED or TIME. As hard drives increased in size, the rigorous tests had to be reduced. I'm going to shortchange you here on the history of drives and such but that's the short version.
Let me share a personal experience with a corrupt NTFS volume that was indeed corrupt and not one disk utility would fix it and CHKDSK always gave it a clean bill of health (and SMART too!)
I kept that drive around for FOUR YEARS since it's always nice to have something odd to try those disk repair utilities against a tough case. Not one of dozens of apps ever corrected the issue (it showed up in a simple DIR command.)
So that's it for CHKDSK. It's imperfect for many reasons but the one I'm going with here is that a full test would exceed any user's tolerance for the time it would take.
2. Now let's switch gears so to speak and address an even older Windows Annoyance.
Windows Explorer is well known to fault, exit, crash the OS, reboot the machine, and more when it hits an image, video or file that it can't render. More precisely the code that is trying to make an icon for Explorer has faults. These decoders can be from Microsoft or a third party such as you find in Codecs that you install.
While this issue has improved in later Windows it's something that continues to dog MSFT and we all hope for a solid fix someday. The rumor is that in a future Windows this will run in some virtual cpu or space and if the rendering takes a flying dive then it will only crash the render task and not pollute the entire OS.
And no, there is no sign this will be fixed in XP.
3. FINALLY we have what is called SILENT DATA CORRUPTION. You can use this to learn all about it:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=silent+data+corruption
This mainly occurs because of the demand for speed. After the data is written to the drive, under normal conditions it is taken for granted it got to the media intact. In fact it works almost 100% of the time. And the time it fails is usually recovered by the firmware in the drive. And the few times it fails past that is so rare that the industry tends to never speak of it.
4. And this is why I rarely format a drive. Rather I delete the partition, create it new and then format it. I've learned over the years that formatting a partition leaves some doubt so I need less doubt!
Bob
I really appreciate you taking your time to help me. It is a shame there are not more people in this world like you and Mark who are happy to help people like me out
. If it doesn't offend you, God bless you both.
If you have more about Event 51 (or Area 51 which softies refer to this event sometimes!) just add it to your top post.
The article I linked to should help you pick out what else is needed.
Bob
Thanks, guess I'll back up my data, delete the partion, and re-install windows and see if the Event 51's stop. At least my Raptor drive is quick and of a fairly small capacity. TBH, my Windows install is a mess as I download a lot and have the habit of relying on third party Defraggers too much when my drive gets too slow. I can end up with 10 or 15% fragmentation just after a day or two. As a consequence, system files, driver files, data, and I'm sure even supposedly those 'unmovable' files get fragmented and do a 'walk about' all over my hard disk. I'll just have to do what most of us who are not 'especially' technically minded do and wait for it to be blatantly obvious that something is wrong and replace the piece of hardware concerned. Thanks again, m8.
What you wrote gave up a FINE CLUE.
When folk write defragmenting speeds up a drive I know it's time to write about an old XP bug.
It's called the XP DMA BUG and before you reinstall, try this -> http://winhlp.com/node/10
There's a quick solution and it doesn't require a reboot!
Bob
It says program finished normally. Please reboot to reset and redetect the DMA status. What am I looking for after the reboot ?
That's ok but if you know this bug, it's another one that we all are left to wonder why it was left intact.
What should happen is the drive or dvd should not be as sluggish.
Bob
Here is my last Event 51 log.
Event Type: WarningEvent Source: DiskEvent Category: NoneEvent ID: 51Date: 27/07/2011Time: 19:50:39User: N/AComputer: HOMEDescription:An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation.For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.Data:0000: 03 00 68 00 01 00 b6 00 ..h...
Do you get this Event ID error when that portable drive is not connected?
Mark
Since it happened during a paging operation I'd try this. Boot up some Linux CD and delete the file
pagefile.sys
XP will create a new one on the next boot and we hope it will use some other space.
Bob