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Poor DVD quality on my new Plasma

I bought a Plasma tv (Panasonic TH-37PX60U) a few weeks ago and watching HD television programing is pretty amazing. Who knew the Tonight Show in Hi-Def could look so amazing?

But watching DVDs on the other hand is another story. The picture is often grainy, and no matter how much I fiddle with the color, I often get green and yellow shadows around objects. Right now my DVD player (Samsung HT-Q80) is connected to my tv via an HDMI cable. The player will upconvert the DVD image to 1080i, which I first thought might be the problem. But these problems persisted even after turning the image back to 480p.

Is this just how all DVDs look on HDTVs due to the discrepancy in resolutions? I sort of thought my DVDs would like amazing. Would using component cables instead of the HDMI help or is something else going on here?

Thanks for the help!

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Poor DVD quality on my new Plasma
Oct 31, 2006 1:16AM PST

Try component cables, they may work better or they may not. Try turning down the sharpness.
Sadly there is no easy cure for this. Personally I feel that this a short coming of many HDTVs: Poor quality of upscaling of SD and ED video! Ten years from now SD and ED quality maybe not be so much of a problem but NOW it is.
Also there is what I call the Cool Aid Effect.
One pack of Cool Aid, two quarts of water, two cups of sugar. Now we add two more quarts of water,,,I'm sure you can imagine what the would taste like,, yuk.
This is kinda what happens to SD and ED video when you watch it on a HDTV. John

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JCROB IS CORRECT TRY BOTH SET UPS
Oct 31, 2006 4:53AM PST

Componit cables may solve the problem for you just make sure they are connected properly. Funny I had the same problem with my d.v.d. player unwatchable picture using componit cables tried 3 different players then I tried a Denon with h.d.m.i. output now I have a stunning picture for some reason you have to try both cables set ups to se which is best for your set up , Also make sure your player is set to 1080I post back to us please and let us know what the problem was steweeeee

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agreed
Nov 1, 2006 6:10AM PST

I also have a Denon (dvd-1730) for $150 that works fantastically on my 61" tv. Not quite HD level (tho sometimes damn close), but way better than anything else. Component connection was terrible, particularly color accuracy (wierd? and why?). So I use HDMI. I've read Samsung's upconverting players are not very good in more than one forum. Everyone talks about the Oppo, I think one with the Fajourda chip set goes for $200? Can you return your DVD player? Of course you can go bonkers and get the Denon with the Silicon Optix Realta chip set for $3800, hah, trillion computations a second?

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I'll give it a shot

Thanks all. I will try playing with it this weekend and report back. I'm a little worried that most of you seemd to have solved the problem by switching to HDMI from component while I'm already using HDMI. But we'll see.

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Just adding to your misery. . .
Nov 1, 2006 7:52AM PST

My Sony 55" SXRD coupled with my Samsung upconverting DVD/VCR combo using the HDMI port actually took my breath away when I watched "The 5th Element" on an upconverted picture.

Some TVs do it better than others.

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DVD Problems.....
Nov 1, 2006 7:06PM PST

.....no offense intended here, but that is a Samsung 5 disc DVD player which is part of a fairly inexpensive HTIB system matched up with an excellent plasma. The Samsung player/receiver is the source of the poor performance.

Try to send as basic a signal as possible directly from the Samsung DVD player and let the Panny plasma do the upconverting to 720p which is the native resolution of the Panny set (not 1080i).

Output from the Samsung component jacks (I would forget the HDMI from this Samsung system) a 480i or 480p signal. See how this works. Forget any upconverting at all from this Samsung system.

If you still do not have an acceptible picture, then I suggest you try bringing home a player with a no qustions asked return policy. Get a good quality DVD player. Just a basic single disc high quality DVD player from Panasonic, Denon, Sony or Yamaha should be fine. I'll bet you see a difference.

Now you can keep it or go for the best bang for the buck with a Panasonic DVD-S97S (or S77S) or maybe an Oppo.

RR6

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more info if it helps

To make matters even more interesting I called Samsung this morning to see if they could help with the problem. They suggested that I try using the yellow video cable that came with the unit. To my surprise it actually reduced a lot of the graininess and completely eliminated the green shadows I was getting around faces and objects. However, I lost a lot of detail and crispness in the picture.

I tried connecting component cables and the picture is only marginally better than the HDMI. So it seems like my picture quality is improving as I downgrade my cables.

I've also tried playing with the Panasonic basic picture settings - Vivid, Standard, and Cinema. The picture is incredibly distorted on the Vivid mode with HDMI. When I select Cinema mode the graininess goes away even with HDMI. However, the green shadows are still there (although not quite as bad). Also, the picture is extremely dark, and I can't imagine the picture is supposed to look that cloudy.

Might something else be at play here or is the likely cause of my problem a bad DVD player? I don't think J&R will take it back!

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FITCH CHECK OUT DENON
Nov 2, 2006 12:42AM PST

I had the same problem until I bought a Denon 3805 with h.d.m.i. output and picture quality is outstanding good luck also see if you can tryu one out first to make sure that is your problem good luck steweeee

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Did you try 480i?
Nov 2, 2006 2:40AM PST

Fitch. I know you tried component 480p, but did you try component 480i as suggested by RR6? The more information you give, the more it sounds like a poor dvd player. Don't even use progressive scan. Try sending a 480i signal through component and let the tv do the scaling. Hard to imagine the 37" panny doing a bad job. Let us know how that works for you. After that, I agree that trying a quality dvd player would be your next step.

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a new DVD player

Well, I think you guys have convinced me that the problem is with the Samsung DVD player so I will try going with another model. What's the word on the street about the Panasonic DVD-S52S ($99)? Everyone who has reviewed the unit online has given it glowing reviews.

If I do get this unit, or another one, should I connect it to my tv with HDMI and then connect the audio out to the Samsung unit through the optical out, essentially using the Samsung as an audio receiver? I am actually very satisfied with the audio quality of the system.

ps. I think I'll also try using 480i as per misterguy and roadrunner6, but I'm not hopeful.

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Try the Panasonic If....
Nov 2, 2006 10:04AM PST

...you can take it back if you are not happy with the performance.

Yes, run the audio to the Samsung receiver using a digital coaxial or optical cable (they are the same performance, just make sure both the Samsung and the S52 have one of these connector types in common).

The video output goes directly to the TV using either HDMI or component, which ever produces the best picture quality. again try all possible routes.

For your refernce and to maybe get a price match at your local BB or CC:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Panasonic_DVD_S52_DVD_Player,__19286888/sort_type=bottomline

RR6

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Sony DVP-NS75H DVD Player
Nov 4, 2006 12:58AM PST

I have a Sony Grand Wega LCD Projection HD-TV and I just got the Sony DVP-NS75H DVD Player.

I love it the DVD's that I play on it are so clear. I would try that DVD player. I use a HDMI cable with that too.

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A New DVD Player & Almost All Better

HDMI is much clearer than the Samsung player and there are no more green shadows.

The only problem that persists is a slight graininess. It's actually quite interesting. Objects in the foreground are crystal clear and very sharp, but solid colored objects in the background remain a little grainy. For instance if there is a solid colored wall in the background or if there is a shot of a building against the sky, the wall and the sky will look a little grainy.

By the way it may help to mention that I've been using the Spiderman 1 and Meet the Parents DVDs to test both the Samsung and the new Panasonic unit. I first noticed these problems however while watching the JFK Director's Cut DVD last weekend (and not the scenes that were intentionally grainy), however I have since returned that DVD to Netflix. But on my Samsung unit Kevin Costner had a green shadow around his face for most of the movie.

Unless anyone has any thoughts on this I think I'm prepared to live with what I've got for the moment. Thanks to everyone who helped me figure this one out!

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Almost all better
Nov 4, 2006 7:06AM PST

Glad to hear the good news. I've learned that there can be many different reasons for grainy dvds. Bad film transfer, smaller film blown up for cinema, dvd player, and even the television. I use to own a plasma tv that was horrible with doing that. Here are a few simple things to try. You could try calibrating your tv with a calibration dvd. Dont just use the preset settings of the tv. Those are rough settings. Also, some of the better dvd players have adjustments that are great for this problem. Keep in mind that some of these adjustments may reduce the sharpness of your picture. Experiment with different settings and connections. Sometimes component looks smoother than hdmi for some people. In my opinion, you have a great tv with an ok dvd player. A better quality dvd player might help also, but would cost more money of course. Remember that its dvd and not hd. Hopefully you can try different suggestions from people and find a way to be happy. Good luck and enjoy your new setup.

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New DVD Player
Nov 4, 2006 11:22AM PST

Actually, I don't think you listed exactly what player you bought. Until you spend $200 or more I don't you will see significant if any improvement over the standard $75-$100 models.

A big factor as Misterguy mentions is the inherent quality of the DVD movie itself. They can range from outstanding to lousy in video quality. Check in the Sound and Vision Magazine website or other similar sources for movies that have excellent video quality ratings. Rent some of these and now see what you think. Several that come to mind for me are Hero (recent asian release, a gorgeous movie), Finding Nemo and Master and Commander.

Check out the picture settings from this review which is the 42'' version of your model. No ''vivid'' or ''dynamic'' picture settings please.

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvreviews/panasonic-th42px60u-review.html

RR6

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Poor DVD quality on a CRT
Nov 9, 2006 9:48AM PST

This does not directly relate to your question, but it's interesting to note that I had a JVC DVD that was excellent but died recently. I switched to the Sony-55 with standard composite cables and it was fine, but when I switched to component the picture became grainy especially in the background. Please note that this is a standard def CRT, but the apparent influence of the cables changed everything.