Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts

The phone company trying to make a couple Buck$ off of my name and account data does not concern me. I can always hang up on any sales calls or have put my phone number on the Do Not Call List. The phone company only has designs on my money not taking away my privacy and liberty.

It looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this one, Evie.

Have a Happy Mother?s Day! JP

1. How is liberty effected by this?

2. I'm more curious how your privacy is LESS violated by the phone company selling your info around the globe than the government getting it and processing it amongst perhaps trillions of calls to see a pattern? Asked more simply, is the government the only one that can violate your privacy?

Which gets back to #1. This call data wouldn't be used in a court of law to take away your liberty.

You think your opinion is correct and SCOTUS is wrong. Guess who the legal system is going to listen to. You don't really care though. You're just trolling for responses.

Of course, I think my opinion is correct, just like you think your opinion is correct. Surely you know the difference between dialogue and trolling. Do not fall into the SE trap of accusing Forum folks of trolling when you do not agree with the content of their e-dialogue. JP

You stand a better chance of ACTUALLY coming under NSA surveillance.

won't get far because you haven't got a case.

There is just not a privacy issue here. Saying there is doesn't make it so.

I remember back when I was first transferred to work Inside-The-Beltway juggling Zeros and Ones. On my first day at work, I found my desk piled high with IBM mainframe computer printouts. I immediately and gleefully jumped into the task of analyzing all that data. My boss walked up and asked me why I was so happy. I replied that with all this data, there's got to be a pony in there somewhere.

I guess NSA is just looking for ponies.

??you haven't got a case?

AT&T has given the government unfettered access to its over 300 terabyte ''Daytona'' database of caller information ? one of the largest databases in the world. Moreover, by opening its network and databases to wholesale surveillance by the NSA, EFF alleges that AT&T has violated the privacy of its customers and the people they call and email, as well as broken longstanding communications privacy laws.

EFF's lawsuit accuses AT&T of collaborating with the National Security Agency in its massive surveillance program. EFF's evidence regarding AT&T's dragnet surveillance of its networks, currently filed under seal, includes a declaration by Mark Klein, a retired AT&T telecommunications technician, and several internal AT&T documents. This evidence was bolstered and explained by the expert opinion of J. Scott Marcus, who served as Senior Advisor for Internet Technology to the Federal Communications Commission from July 2001 until July 2005

Much of the evidence in the case is currently under seal, as AT&T claims public release of the documents would expose trade secrets. A hearing on the issue is scheduled for May 17th. ? EFF April 28, 2006.

http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/

??There is just not a privacy issue here. Saying there is doesn't make it so.?

If what the government has done, and is doing, is not a privacy issue, why do they want privacy and demand to shield their citizen surveillance activities under the cloak of military and state secrets privilege? If my phone number and account data are not private how can they be considered a state secret?

It is a privacy issue, both regarding the government respecting my unalienable right to private personal communications and the requirement for government to follow the Constitution as they pursue terrorists.

We'll see how far they get with that class action suit. Not very, I'm guessing.

Obviously the government would rather not have their anti-terrorist techniques made public, because it would tip off the terrorists. Make sense?

In my opinion this whole controversey is really just Democrats manufacturing an issue to bash Bush with so they can win elections.

is that individuals and cells can operate automonously without contact with a main "base". So what Osama is aware of some group in Spain or England may not be, and these people and their communications may be what is being caught.

The terrorists may be well aware of our global surveillance and monitoring of worldwide electronic emissions and communication traffic but they might NOT understand all the techniques in use. And of course, Democrat attempts to take these tools out of our hands may well hurt our side.

I think the less information we give the enemy the better off we are.

I really don't see a threat to our privacy here. If I did I would probably be with you on this.

... relates to the electronic surveillance program, NOT this current flap over phone records -- in the latter, names, addresses, etc. are NOT turned over. I doubt they'll get very far with this anyway, unless they can prove AT&T believed the NSA's request was not legal but complied anyway.

Give ME your phone number, and there is a good change, even I can find your name and address.

This is NOT what they are doing. But you do prove the point that there is NO privacy in using the phone system.

Please explain what good a bunch of numbers are if they can't find out who and where the calls are from and to.

Do you REALLY not understand or are you playing dumb? If you are playing dumb, I won't waste the time to explain it to you.

... there's still a chance the terrorists haven't either. So I won't explain.

None of this affects you in any way.

waste the time

start from the first, explain each step and the logic.

It?s this simple. They are looking for patterns of phone usage !!!!
That?s it, it?s that simple.

Was this too many steps for you to understand?

the capbilities of NSA, CIA, and military intelligence except probably Catgic and......

I don't think that's the only parameter,

It does no good, to know when my phone or any other phone number, calls a certain number, unless they know what event triggers the initial call.

It's like when the Superbowl is on TV, and during the halftime, massive amounts of water are used to flush toilets.

They think that's the reason and they may be right.

But it's a lot more difficult to determine why a phone call is made.

they don't ask for names and addresses, they can find that on the internet, the same way a couple hundred million other Americans can.

That's why they don't ask.

... do you not understand?

in the subject to enable a click, sorry.

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