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Poll: Do you think a registry cleaner is worth using?

Feb 15, 2008 4:02AM PST
In your opinion, do you think a registry cleaner is worth using?

- Yes (Why?)
- No (Why not?
- Sometimes (When?)
- It really depends (On what?)
- What the heck is it?

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I think so...
Feb 15, 2008 4:56AM PST

...but only because I've heard and read so much about better performance if the clutter is removed from the registry. Registry Mechanic even claims it can "compact" the registry. I have no idea what this means, but I use it anyway. I'll likely mess my system up with this approach and be coming here to get help.

~Dave

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Better approach is to educate programmers
Feb 15, 2008 8:59AM PST

Why not stop the plane crashing rather than deciding which emergency service to use at the crash site?

My programs are designed to run well and not slow up anything - even if the user deletes registry keys and executables for the program in question.

Slow PC's are due to bad driver code and services started at boot time - including user mode programs started at logon - see 'autoruns' from MS to explore that. Application http and UDP/TCP "phone home/contact mom" network code is also waiting for network connections that are unreliable. Even MS's own update service caused 100% cpu load in svchost last year - for 5 mins after PC boot.

Etc.
Happy
HeirDrier

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The best education is not to use Windows! ;-)
Feb 15, 2008 4:11PM PST

So, what you're saying is that we should all use our computers as single-tasking, simple-minded appliances? Supposedly we left all that behind with MS/PC-DOS!

A decent OS won't be brought to its knees by running multiple background tasks. A decent OS won't accumulate clutter that causes slowdown and an inevitable crash. A decent OS will use a modern file system that doesn't require defragmentation.

But we all are forced by either market forces, our jobs, or simple ignorance into buying computers without a decent OS - i.e. Windows. How we choose to use it is key to answering this question. Advising people to kill background tasks, etc. is one solution. The other is to find and use good utilities (registry cleaner, defragmenter, etc.) which allow us to make Windows act like a decent OS. As long as we have to use Windows, we don't have to live with its limitations.

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RE: The best education is not to use Windows!
Feb 15, 2008 10:58PM PST

rbsjrx wrote:-

"So, what you're saying is that we should all use our computers as single-tasking, simple-minded appliances? Supposedly we left all that behind with MS/PC-DOS!"

Wait a minute with MS-DOS it was possible to multi-task. My wordprocessor could back ground print from the days of DOS version 1.25. MS Word, had to wait until W95 to get that feature!

I used RPL to write many multi-task programs.

In DOS we had .INI files. They were easy to adjust.

They were never changed by the OS and why do programs have to use the registry. As a radio ham, I use many programs on Windows, that don't use the registry.

It's the poor design of Windows that causes the problems as it allows poor programmers to produce poor programs.

But that's so that when a PC slows down, the user can buy a new computer and buy another version of Windows. With DOS, we got a new computer and transfered not just the programs, but also the OS. So no more profit for you know who!

"But we all are forced by either market forces, our jobs"

So true. But we generally have no choice.

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The best education is not to use Windows! ;-) Sorry...
Apr 12, 2008 3:10PM PDT

...I disagree!

Then, please tell us something practical. If not Windows, what do you suggest? What other OS do you suggest has 90% of the software available to work with it? These are all hypothetical 'if's and 'buts', but after all is said and done, I will take Windows. I use XP Pro, and am happy with it. Vista, though - not a chance!

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What would you suggest?
Apr 13, 2008 3:42AM PDT

If you are suggesting that MS DOS was a better operating system, I might be inclined to agree, but many of today's programs just do not seem to run well under DOS.

I have 31 Microsot programs installed in my computer. They account for about 85% to 90% of the time use on my computer. I have yet to find anyone who can present a suggestion with confidence of an operating system which will out-perform Windows at running those programs.

Have you got any data or statistics to support the use of an other Operating system in this case?

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would but wont
Jun 14, 2008 12:42PM PDT

windows is great if u take care of it. i would use linux if it had better commercial software. and i wont use osx because it is developed and marketed by a company even greedier than microsoft. and if u arent lazy and take care of windows even the slowest of computers wont have problems running multiple tasks. And btw,ntfs deosnt really require defgragmentation at all, the performance gains from doing so are minimal. fat32 on the other hand constantly needs defragmentation, but isnt used in xp.

and until the OS does everything automatically, it will never not get slower. yes even osx gets slower over time. you sound to me just like an ignorant apple fanboy.

BTW, background tasks are essential to the operation of any os. and it really isnt very difficult to go in and clean out the autoruns.

i use xp pro and it is a powerful, beautiful machine. as soon as osx starts to become innandated by viruses, which i can gaurantee will happen in 5 years or less, people such as yourself wont view apple as perfect. and if windws is so limited, how come it is used in 90 % of computers in existance? the only OS with support for most commercial games? it takes me 2 minutes every day to do a quick spu=yware scan, dump the temporary internet files, and clean the registry. if people actually READ THE INSTRUCTIONS for once they wouldnt screw up their pcs like most poeple do.

I like windows almost as much as the prospect of linux b/c u can change almost any aspect of the way the os runs or looks, with the exception of modifying the kernel.

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Totally Bogus
Jun 14, 2008 7:33PM PDT

Ok, we are going on more than 10 years of this myth... which has already proven itself to be false.

"as soon as osx starts to become innandated by viruses, which i can gaurantee will happen in 5 years or less, people such as yourself wont view apple as perfect."

...This is total BS... Don't you think that in 30 years of Unix history (Apple OS is based on FreeBSD the Berkley implementation of Unix) that people wouldn't have been able to innundate the Apple OS with viruses..? No, they cannot... because Apple OS, like all variants of Unix, have user, file, and group permissions. If you don't own the files, and if you do not know the user password to logon to the system, you can't change or access the files in order to cause a problem. It is an extremely simple concept, and it is not going away anytime soon. Windows 98 did not even require a logon password, and had no firewall or file permissions. Windows Xp? People typically use it with administrator access, meaning anything they run on the system, or anything that accesses the system through the user, has direct access to delete or modify any file on the system including operating system files... How convenient for a virus writer... Vista? another BS version of Microsoft advertising and scare tactics scheme to milk another generation of cows.


"and if windws is so limited, how come it is used in 90 % of computers in existance? the only OS with support for most commercial games?"

... just say Moooooo...!!

by the way, you can get most commercial games for the Mac. You can also run 1000's of Windows games on Linux under WINE... so quit whining...!

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Do you think a registry cleaner is worth using?
Feb 15, 2008 9:02AM PST

Absolutely; because uninstallers are not very good at retrieving the hooks they plant in the registry.

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To heirdrier
Feb 15, 2008 5:42PM PST

Sorry but I removed your post.

It includes an advert to software not related to this discussion and so contravenes Forum Policy. I see one of your other posts also has this link so I am deleting that post as well.

Please review Forum Policy.

Mark

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Registry Cleaners Good or bad for System performance
Feb 15, 2008 9:03AM PST

It is always good to clean out junk from your registry and to check for malware/spyware that sometimes cannot be seen, but can be felt in overall system perfomance. There are many products out there that will clean, but one imparticular really helps total system performance an that is the solution Microsoft themselves have provided to the public for free. (http://safety.live.com) this product does not only clean your registry but checks for other problems that can affect system performance. You can run the different tools alla carte or run the total package. It works great and has never failed me. The best part is it is free! It dramatically helps overall performance and gives you the piece of mind that you are checking everything from junk to spyware. Ever notice how when first load an OS or buy a new computer that it is pretty fast and over time is tends to slow down. most of the time is due to a lot programs that have been loaded. If you're like me you try different apps all time and tend to remove them if they dont do what you expect, well most of the time the entries stay in the registry and load up even though you have removed them. Well if you do this often with many programs you can have several hundred invalid registry entries that just slow your machine down especially on Startup time.
So to answwer the Poll YES! it helps but make you choose the right one beacuse it can also damage your machine as well. At least with the Microsft web product you can be assured that a restore point is created and it knows what check for in its own house. you can also purchse the software version and have it maintain your machine, of coarse this requires more memory and is another application that is loaded on your machine.
-Winwiz

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Why not change the OS?
Feb 15, 2008 9:25AM PST

No. Registry cleaners are not necessary, at least not for me.
And, do you know what is in the program you are using? Probably not.

Can you manipulate the program to clean exactly as you want? Doubt it.
Are you able to view the source before it was compiled and offered to you as a program? Highly unlikely. Is it 100% safe? Not very likely.


What do I propose? The same I always do: go for open source, limit oprocesses, harden the system, tweak permissions, and go for performance not name.

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are reg cleaners neccessary
Feb 15, 2008 9:37AM PST

I use Ms Onecare and find it good as it backs up files [warns when it is needed] and sets a restore point; however, according to the guru on Kiny radios tech report, a good reg cleaner helps repair onecares mistakes; I was using regcure in conjumction with Xoftspye anti virus - worked OK, but now I am using Pitstop - works well.
In my opinion, once a registry cleaner is installed - and works - it will keep the registry at a constant working level. Whether I was using regcure or Pitstop with Onecare seemed to make no difference.
Onecare takes care of excess file, defrag,anti virus etc and the point here, I think, is that Onecare is put out by the same source as XP Pro so they should know how to look after their programs best

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not the one I tried
Feb 15, 2008 9:43AM PST

I used the registry mechanic recommended by CNET and it crashed my computer to the point that I had to reformat and reinstall everything. And that took 3 weeks because even though I had backed up all my data first, I still had to reinstall all my software. Defrag and disk cleanup is good enough for me. And I don't install anything I really don't need. And I don't let my grandkids play with MY computer.

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Registry Mechanic hums along on my PC!
Apr 12, 2008 3:13PM PDT

No problems here!

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Is a registry cleaner worth using?
Feb 15, 2008 9:45AM PST

I consider running a registry cleaner as part of a comprehensive maintenance program. I run a virus scanner, several adware/spyware programs/Ccleaner and Iobit Advanced Windows Care V2 and defrag utility.

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ss
Jun 11, 2008 5:23PM PDT

Thanks to you all who have posted such a nice information ........thanks for sharing

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As with many things, the answer is "it depends"
Feb 15, 2008 11:17AM PST

How necessary a registry cleaning utility may be to any particular user depends to a great degree on the user and what he uses his computer to do. If you only run one application at a time, if you only have a few applications loaded which you rarely update, or if you run nothing but Microsoft apps, then you can get by without one for quite a while - perhaps longer than the life of your system. If, OTOH, you're like me and have a lot of applications, many running simultaneously, and frequently install new applications or uninstall old ones, then you really need to do regular registry maintenance.

But, how you do that maintenance is up to you. For the truly hard core, all you need is regedit, a solid understanding of the Windows registry, and some patience. Commercial registry cleaners are a better choice for most people. Even if you really know your way around a PC, having a reliable tool that can automate this frequent and tedious job cannot be discounted. There are a handful of good such utilities, both free and commercial, and most work pretty much the same.

I use Uniblue's Registry Booster 2 on all my Windows PCs. It's proven effective and reliable. Others will recommend other utilities, so take your pick if you fit the profile of someone who needs such a thing.

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Sometimes...
Feb 15, 2008 11:20AM PST

When I had XP Pro for my OS, I used the registry cleaners all the time, with excellent results. I knew what to look for and how to handle XP Pro. I just got a ne computer and it has Vista. My experiences with registry cleaners so far have produced unexpected and unwanted results, like resetting Virus controls without my knowledge, shutting down my network access, ruining my printers setup, etc. Until Vista becomes a more well known product, and I become more familiar with Vista, a registry cleaner is just a headache.

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Registry Cleaner maybe?
Feb 15, 2008 12:17PM PST

I've used registry cleaners before but I can't tell they actually do anything. They say they're removing unused entries, big deal. How do they know what are unused entries just by scanning the registry? I can't really tell it fixes anything just because it says it has. So what do I think? Maybe if it's a free program but I wouldn't buy one. I just save my documents on drive d and reload from an image file on another partition on my drive d and I'm back to a new loaded system with all my apps loaded.

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C Cleaner
Feb 19, 2008 2:29PM PST

New Computer problems after installing all your programs. Then a computer shut down, and you can't get on line you have a mini dump, What next. System restore? Can't edit your web site, Control panel won't load? Need help? I used C Cleaner. I know it works!! I have used other registry cleaners, but C Net recommended this and it was free. I had mixed commands stoping programs from working. C Cleaner solved all of my problems. C Cleaner can keep you from getting your computer re installed. Even Windows won't work right with diferent commands and broken files in your PC. Thanks C Net for recommending this great program!

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Only sometimes
Feb 15, 2008 12:30PM PST

An average system probably won't see much improvement in speed. But if your system's been left uncleaned for a few years, then it might gain some nice boost from these.

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It depends
Feb 15, 2008 2:28PM PST

For many users you might be right. However, I have 149 applications installed in my Program Files folder. Task Manager shows ~100 active processes at any given moment. In any given month, I will install at least one new package and remove another. Loaded this heavily, the garbage accumulates quickly and will bring the system to its knees well within a year. By judicious use of a registry maintenance utility, I've managed to stretch that out to in excess of two years. My way of dealing with all this is that I run my utility (Registry Booster 2) every time I add or remove software, or at least once a month - whichever comes first.

Of course, the better long-term solution is not to use Windows at all. Registry cleanup, disk defragmentation, and malware are non-issues on my Linux systems, which all run for years at a time with minimal maintenance.

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Depends on how you use your computer!
Feb 15, 2008 2:23PM PST

If your installing and removing several programs then yes. If you?re not than you most likely wont need it.

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definately use a registry cleaner.....
Feb 15, 2008 2:25PM PST

Have you noticed that over a period of time your computer just doesn't run as fast as it did when you first purchased it? That's because over time your registry becomes cluttered with useless entries from software and other files that were probably sent to the recycle bin ages ago. I ran across an article that talked about how Windows is notorious for retaining outdated and obsolete registry entries. I am not a computer genius but this is how I understand it. The system reads every one them to find the proper entry to execute whatever it needs to at any given time. The more entries in the registry the longer it takes. My first registry cleaner was RegSeeker by HoverDesk, and I still use it. It's safe and reliable. I remember the first scan came up with over 800 obsolete entries!!! One entry only amounts to one or two kilobytes tops, but multiply that by 800. Thats significant space on your hard drive. Don't intend to plug RegSeeker, there are many other good ones I've used. It's also a good idea to defrag the registry also.

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Yes...I surely do.
Feb 15, 2008 2:26PM PST

I tend to use Registry Mechanic as well as the built in version of Spybot Search and Destroy. Though they don't make my PC go from zero to 100 mph in one go, they do give a subtle improvement in performance, especially the PC startup.

And yeah, if U R one of those who installs and uninstalls softwares at the drop of a hat, its a must to have a Reg Cleaner.

I just hit the 'Fix' button without thinking twice. Never had any problems with that.

Thanks, 'Dexter'.

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One more note on the relibility of registry cleaners
Feb 15, 2008 2:43PM PST

I've read several posts in this thread with horror stories of registry cleanings gone bad. Everyone should be aware that if your system has been running for a significant length of time and is more than very lightly loaded, the first time you run a registry cleaner, you will likely have problems. For that reason, always tell your registry cleaner to take a full registry backup before starting. However, once the registry has been cleaned, if you continue to clean it on some sort of regular schedule, you should have no more problems.

I started using Registry Booster on all my Windows machines a couple of years ago. In each case, after cleaning the machine needed to be rebooted and that first reboot almost always failed. By iterating this process, along with registry restore operations as a last resort, I was able to successfully clean the registry and successfully reboot in fairly short order. Once I'd gotten that far, I've never had any subsequent trouble with it.

Bottom line - the failure and the unreliability are mostly artifacts of trying to clean a badly corrupted registry rather than any specific registry cleaner failures.

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No registry cleaner is worth using.
Feb 15, 2008 4:22PM PST

If you have to come to rely on 3rd party tools to fix or maintain the Windows Registry, you have come too far. Windows requires constant babysitting, often needs restarts, and major maintenance such as weekly 45 minute virus scans, 10 minute spyware scans, and registry cleanups. Ask yourself, How much time have I spent scanning for viruses and spyware trying to speed up, clean up, and fix Windows XP/Vista? You are fighting a losing battle... The Windows operating systems require a large amount of RAM to run effectively and there is an extremely high level of marketing and advertising software and more ready to move into your free RAM... Seriously folks, think about how much time you waste doing all these fix-it, clean-it, scan-it type annoyances.

Operating systems like Ubuntu Linux, Debian Linux, or Fedora are now extremely easy to install and can replace or even coexist with Windows. For example Ubuntu, the most popular Linux platform, is very cutting edge. You can try it out or install it by simply putting the CD in the drive. The issues of viruses and spyware are non-existent. You will spend 0 minutes per week scanning for viruses & spyware and it runs faster requiring significantly less memory. Linux also runs faster because it does not require a virus scanner / spyware scanner running concurrently. Linux is also supported by the largest computing community in the world; the open source community which includes Google, Sun Microsystems, NASA, all Universities, and people around the world.

The most common question when people hear about Linux however, is yes, it sounds like a dream come true, "but what about my programs..?"
Well, actually having used Linux now for over 6 years, I have found that in the last 2 years, the usability and quality of the overall Linux Operating System is now of a much higher standard of usability than Windows. For example, say you want to install a new Video player application. In Windows typically, you would search Google, try to find one that is free, or cracked, or a trial version. You may have to register(more spam) to get a download. Then you would download the file (if you're lucky you can find where Windows saved it), then hopefully you have a program that can handle the file format to open it. Now you have to update your antivirus and scan that file to make sure it's pure. Then you can finally procede to install the program which now bloats your registry with trialware, spyware, adware, and perhaps a virus. Not only all this, but you are left with a mess of folders and files on your desktop like rude guests that came for dinner.

In Linux, the process goes something like this. You want to install a new video player application. So, you open up the Synaptic Package manager, type your administrative password, search generally for "video player", you view a list of video packages in the Synaptic Package Manager window. Read a few straight to the point descriptions. Choose the one that seems most suitable by selecting it with a checkbox. Linux is now either ready to install it, or shows you which required software packages that it needs to install for the selected program(which it handles for you). You click apply. Everything the operating system needs to do and does do is reported to you(the owner of your computer). You have now successfully installed a video player without having to: sign up a license(more spam), surf the net(waste of time), get a virus/spyware, scan files, download files, download secondary programs to uncompress the file, restart the computer, clean up a mess, or simply get a headache from fighting Windows.

Hopefully this puts into perspective, why a registry cleaner is not worth using, and why you should definitely try one of the newest Linux distributions like Ubuntu.

Jacob Chappelle
Free yourself, use Open Source

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AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU
Feb 16, 2008 4:09AM PST

It looks like you are saying that rather than go to the internet or Best Buy for a program your operating system comes with tens of thousands of programs which are ready to be installed.

What if my hard drive is only 2 Terabytes? Will it be large enough to hold your O/S and all the programs which come with it.

Now can I buy that O/S (Is it less than $1,000.00) and extract the Microsoft, Adobe, Lotus, Arcsoft, or Symantec programs without having to purchase their licenses.

Now what about the popular games, are they also installed on the original O/S

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No, you don't understand
Feb 16, 2008 4:48AM PST

Linux may have multiple terabytes of available software, but the installation is quite compact. Some Linux distributions (e.g. Puppy) can easily run from a thumb drive. My primary Linux machine is an old Compaq PC that was too slow to run the Windows apps that my wife wanted to run. So, I bought her a new PC and installed Kubuntu (Ubuntu with the KDE desktop environment) on her old one. It now runs Linux very well, even for games (my favorite is a clone of classic Missile Command).

What was described is how you go about acquiring and installing new software. As he describes, the Ubuntu Linux download manager goes out to the Internet and finds all available applications in as many of the dozens of repositories as you tell it to search. Once you find what you want, one mouse click will instruct the download manager to download the installation files and complete the installation. While it's at it, it also checks for dependencies - some software won't run unless some other software is also installed. If it finds unsatisfied dependencies, it lets you know and asks if you want to proceed. If you say yes, it will download and install those as well.

The availability of specific software, especially games, is another issue entirely. If you need or want some specific package, then you are of course limited to whatever OS the publisher of that software supports. But this is true in any environment or platform. There exist Linux-specific applications just as there are Mac-specific applications and Windows-specific applications. What's important to note is that there are comparable applications for both Linux and Mac that correspond to all popular Windows productivity and multimedia applications. For example if you insist on MS Word, then you're limited to running Windows or a Mac. If all you want to do is work with Word files, then you can easily do it on Linux - using free software!