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Please help, my computer goes rogue on me

Oct 30, 2009 6:03AM PDT
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Please help, my computer goes rogue on me


I have a three-year-old laptop, a Compaq nc6400. It's loaded with XP and I am using Microsoft Office '07, as I had a new hard drive installed last year when the old one started acting up. Now, I do go online at various hot spots around my community, but always have my AVG Security active during these visits. I recently dropped the laptop onto a hardwood floor while taking it out of the travel case I use. Since then it seems to run fine, except it will frequently (at least once every day or so) go "rogue" and stop responding to any key except possibly arrow up and down. When I repeatedly strike a key it won't respond until suddenly it will respond with multiple lines of a single character (or back spaces) until I hit "page down" or some other random key and it stops its machine gun behavior. I have picked this unit up held it securely and shaken it upside down, shut it down for 5 minutes and restarted it, used canned air across the keys and a Dust Buster-type vacuum with a focused nozzle on the keyboard, thinking maybe a food particle might be hiding back in some obscure corner. I have run Ad Aware, AVG Security, and Spybot Search and Destroy wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiithout any apparent help. What do your knowledgeable and generous tech helpers suggest? Do I spend my limited funds on a "hospital visit" at my local computer repair shop, or is there something else I should try first? Or maybe do again? Do I have a virus? Have I been hacked? Or is there just something shaken loose in the abrupt impact with the floor? I would appreciate your suggestions.

Thanks in advance for all your thoughts and attempts to help with this challenge.

--Submitted by Michael G.

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A few ideas --Submitted by dj_halnon
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19681_102-0.html?messageID=3162680#3162680

I suspect the hard drive .... --Submitted by Watzman
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19681_102-0.html?messageID=3162660#3162660

Rogue Keys.... --Submitted by PaulTercier
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19681_102-0.html?messageID=3162892#3162892

Bust keyboard or loose keyboard cable... --Submitted by darrenforster99
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19681_102-0.html?messageID=3162976#3162976

Thanks to all who contributed!

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It is okay to take candy out of travel case while...
Nov 13, 2009 12:09PM PST

You are saying that you are standing on a hardwood floor and decide to take your laptop out of your travel case , hmmm? This is a classic hollywood stupid act... you see it all the times!! You would not take a $1000 crystal goblet out of your travel case while standing on a hardwood floor , would you??? Additionally, your laptop is made by Compaq which was swallowed up by HP many years ago, tell me your laptop is already very old and virtually worthless today even before hitting the hardwood floor. Not worth your dime going to the computer shop at all... Too bad, there is nothing to salvage anything out of a laptop for reuse in your next new laptop like you can with a desktop. Perhaps, you can salvage your hard drive and put it in a usb enclosure and recover all the files before it goes on fritz before too long.. Standing on a hardwood floor is the worst place to fool around with a laptop... Next time,,, place your travel case on a table , unzip it or unvelcro it and take out the laptop and place it on the surface. Take away the travel case and all the clutter... ..

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yeah , in case he dont know how to take out the hard drive
Nov 13, 2009 12:24PM PST

Easy, turn your laptop upside down on the table, of course.. find a teeny weeny philip screwdriver with a cross point, you knowa? There is several covers with a screw at the edge, you can experiment each cover by loosening up the screw .. covers are not easy to come off as they are very tightly snugged. Be patient with your fingers and some licks on fingers trying to rub the cover off . once you think you find the right cover for the hard drive. There is still antoher screw to loosen to get the usually shiny metal case that house the hard drive inside. pry it out of its connection on the other end. It will feel creepy . you are still not done as the hard drive is still securely screwed inside the shiny metal case or plastic in some cases .. usually there is four screws to hold the hard drive inside the protective shiny or platic case. Get a good 2.5 inch hard drive enclosure. 3.5 inch hard drive enclosure is for bigger desktop harddrive that will require a transformer to go along with usb . your laptop hard drive will not require any transformer to go along with the usb cable. inserting your hard drive into the enclosure is no different than your laptop or desktop, but it takes care and attention to make sure that it is not upside down , reverse or thing like that.. your files should be still readable if you just quit using your cracked up laptop right now. dont try to risk using it if your laptop is already too old,,, save the hard drive like it is yoru heart..now!

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There is a puzzling solution

Is CNET at its wits' end? Am I seriously expected to give advice to someone who has dropped their laptop, then writes to CNET instead of taking it in for repairs? This is ridiculous - I am happy to help the community solve real problems, but if you drop your laptop/shades/Volkswagen/teeth I'll be happy to help you only at my usual rate. I think this "contribution" is a serious mistake.

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rogue laptop
Nov 13, 2009 11:44PM PST

maartsen has this problem solved. Why bother this community with a question about dropping a computer?

maartsen is also right about why CNET is even posting this.

Dropping any electronic piece of equipment on a hard surface with resulting intermitten failure means go to an expert to have it fixed (unless you are the expert in that piece of equipment).

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Isolating the cause of the problem
Nov 13, 2009 2:29PM PST

Just an idea to try isolate the cause of the problem: try using another keyboard such as a wireless keyboard to see if the problem persists. If it does not it is the keyboard, if it does it may be the keyboard.

Good luck.

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My computer goes rogue on me
Nov 13, 2009 3:14PM PST

I have had the same problem with two Dell CPx machines and one C-610. Various keys would not yield anything, or the wrong character was displayed. In each case, it was a keyboard gone bad. One technician says fine line traces are easily broken on these things (perhaps due to heavy handed typing, or in the case cited a fall to the floor).

I bought one new KB from Dell, got the other two used, all worked just fine after a relatively simple installation. You can get service CDs on eBay for a few dollars showing replacement procedures. If you are in the SF bay area, parts-machines can be found at Wierd Stuff Warehouse, or at the monthly DeAnza college electronic flea market (March-October). Also a good place for laptop power supplies at low prices, but watch out for batteries ... always a crap shoot how good they are.

Bill Carlson

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Laptop problem
Nov 13, 2009 6:00PM PST

As you have uttered your problem, as per that I can guide something for you. Once I had also faced this problem with my older Desktop Set, as the days goes the micoroparticle as well macros get entry into the keyboard base through the sides of the keys into the soft rubber pad and underside to the sensors. You cant just avoid this. Open your outer cover of the keyboard side by unscrewing the screws, check out for dust or liquid damage or reidues. After that, take out the rubber pad and clean the sensors with help of pure alcohol, never use petroleum products. Then let it dry in normal temp. air. You can use your hair dryer from a long distance so that temp never gets exceeded more than 25 degree celsius. Before assembling check out for free travel of all the keys and ensure they are bouncing back after hittting. If you feel Satisfactory, assemble the kit. In future, try a keyboard instead of your laptop keypad while at home. THis way my problem(almost similar to your current )solved.

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my computer goes rogue on me
Nov 13, 2009 6:06PM PST

I'm not dismissing all the other possible solutions that have been given as all are very feasible, and dropping laptops on the floor is not a good thing at any time, but I think that if it was a hardware fault it would have shown up in a more dramatic way, like actually not working. I would like to add my possible solution. Having had this problem on other machines that were running AVG on them, I eventually found that it was AVG and its background scans that was stopping them and any key presses suddenly appeared after time. Granted this was on somewhat slow machines. After uninstalling AVG I found that the problem was no longer present. I did however re-install AVG and up to now have had no more problems.

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dropping your laptop
Nov 13, 2009 9:39PM PST

first i would try a reboot and and see if that helps if not then you have dislodged a circuit inside you laptop and if you have then you will need a pc repairer for it

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Michael
Nov 13, 2009 9:50PM PST

Hi Michael, I had the same problem recently. I'm blind (I use the computer with the aid of special talking software)

1/ Press Windows key + E (this opens "My Computer")
2/ Right click c:
3/ Select properties
4/ Select "Tools" tab
5/ Select "Check Now"
6/ Put a tick in both boxes and select "start"
7/ A window will appear telling you disk will be checked next time you restart.
8/ Press Yes and restart machine

hope this works
Bob

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Check your free space on the C partiton
Nov 13, 2009 11:44PM PST

This can happen not only as a result of a hardware problem but also because your C drive is perilously close to being full and yet can appear that you have enough space when checked. The root cause is your virual memory swap space varying based on what programs are running at the time. Check your virtual swap file size (recommendation is max size equaling twice the size of physical memory) and lower it a bit for a test. Performance may suffer but if the problem goes away you may find that you just need to clean up your drive, buy a larger one or resize the 'C' to accomodate a larger swap file.

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Most likely the hard drive
Nov 14, 2009 12:13AM PST

OK, didnt anyone see the part where this person held computer upside down and shook it? Between dropping it on the floor and shaking it upside down (who on earth told you to do that)! Almost guarantees the hard drive is destroyed. It would be worth the time and effort to buy a new hard drive and install and then go from there. The worst that can happen is you will have a spare hard drive.

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Help for "Please help, my computer goes rogue on me"
Nov 14, 2009 12:34AM PST

I recently worked on a Compaq V2424NR which had an occasionally repeating key. It was very difficult to type anything when the "i"key was repeating. Usually I could press the backspace key to get it to stop repeating but then it would just start again. Sometimes it would not happen and then I could type words. I tried reinstalling the operating system thinking that was the problem, but my attempts ended in failure. Finally, I got on e-bay and found a keyboard that was made for that model and replaced the keyboard on the laptop. That made all the difference in the world and the laptop was useful once again. I would suggest that you try this. It will cost you a few bucks but that is far cheaper than buying a new unit. I suspect that the laptop I was working on had been dropped also, because of the way one corner sat up a bit too high. The user did not know if this was the case. However, the new keyboard worked great. I found directions online that showed me a step by step procedure for removing the old keyboard and installing the new one.

Good luck.

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Try disabling the eraser-head pointer if you have one
Nov 14, 2009 1:11AM PST

I've seen the little keyboard pointer cause rogue cursor action and I wouldn't be surprised if it caused strange keypresses also after dropping the computer. Try disabling it (usually it's somewhere in the mouse properties) and see if that helps.

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Palinitis
Nov 14, 2009 8:13AM PST

This is a common problem since Vista and the 2008 election campaign. You might think that something radical is needed, such as ObamaCare. Not so. The cure is reformat (low level) and reinstall (clean). I know, that is ugly, but if you do so, you will eliminate all possible software related causes. You will discover that Office 2007 is mishandling your keyboard and, possibly, your mouse too. Test the system thoroughly before reinstalling Office 2007, then test again after the DVD install and again after all the SPs and patches are on. Why would an Office suite change the way the keyboard and mouse are handled by the OS? Microsoft, need I say more?

If you think this is too wry to be real, you probably think that your laptop runs slower after you install antivirus software because it is now so mellow. Feel free to live the dream.

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keyboard buffer
Nov 15, 2009 12:02AM PST

mess around with your keyboard driver. if that doesnt solve the problem i believe you have a bad keyboard buffer chip.

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possible solution
Nov 15, 2009 1:04AM PST

eh buddy, jus checking this thread so i hope i can help if you havent been sorted out yet. i think your problem is your keyboard. dont know if you are familiar with removing the keyboard but if you can then remove rhe screws and unplug your keyboard then use a usb r ps2 external keyboard. once it works fine then jus replace your old keyboard with a new one. you can order online. now if you have the same prob then you are back 2 square 1 only diff you know its not the keyboard so then u take it 2 da hospital. lemme know if that works

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Likely a known issue with Office 2007
Nov 15, 2009 1:56AM PST

This is common with MS Office 2007 / Outlook 2007. MS has catalogued this in the KB but I don?t currently have the article number.

I have found that this behavior is aggravated by both anti-malware programs and by IE 7/8 RS feed synchronization.

To prove that it is an RSS/Outlook issue disable RSS feed synchronization in both Outlook (if used) and IE7/8 (if enabled). Go to you profile ?temp? folder and delete all files. Restart Outlook 007. The problem should go away. Re-enabling feed sync will cause the issue to reappear.

As far as I know there has been no fix for this issue posted by Microsoft. I now run with RSS feed sync set to once per day and do no experience this issue.

I suspect that any program that places a large number of ?.tmp? files in the ?temp? folder will also cause this to happen. MS says it is due to OUTLB.EXE (an Outlook 2007 utility) scanning these items when present.

This fixed my battle with this issue. Hope it helps your situation.

Here are some threads supportive of this issue:

http://forums.techarena.in/ms-office-support/951089.htm

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Why not try the External One first ?
Nov 15, 2009 7:41AM PST

Hi mate,

it's bad to hear that you DROP your notebook, but if your notebook do have a DOCKING or have an external Keyboard/Mouse then try to connect it first to see what's going on... if both are seems working fine, than that's the keyboard/mouse, if still have problem... then it really seems your Hard Disk or Motherboard have problem, try to do a scandisk/defrag ...etc. check if any bad sectors, still problem not solve.... better buy a NEW ONE instead of fixing the old one, buy a HD console to reuse your Notebook's old HD, and maybe consider this Notebook connect to your TV as a better-than-normal DVD player...

have fun~~

Cheers,
Dennis

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How to fix your NC6400
Nov 15, 2009 6:03PM PST

I'm an HP field engineer. The NC6400 is a business class notebook and very durable. I would suspect the software first. Something could be stealing too many cpu cycles. If when you dropped it the laptop was on, immediately replace the hard drive whether you see issues or not. It is a no brainer that some part of the drive is damaged. No laptop is designed to with stand this type of shock with the hard drive spinning. As far as the keyboard itself, it would have to have a direct hit in the fall to get damaged. This is an area of the hardware that is very durable and does not break unless liguid is spilled on it. Lastly, the touch pad gets alot of use and is integrated into the bus with the keyboard if the buttons are well used I would replace it as it anyway. The NC6400 can take up to 4GB of ram and the CPU is upgrade capable. I'd think its worth the investment.

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My computer goes rogue
Nov 20, 2009 1:17PM PST

Maybe you've downloaded files from Sarah Palin's web site. Maybe your computer thinks that big government simply isn't the answer, and instead of government death panels, we need to drill baby, drill.

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Rogue laptop
Nov 20, 2009 3:21PM PST

Well, with a sudden impact such as the laptop hitting the floor, I'd suspect that something may have gotten a tad bit loose. Could be memory, an internal cable connector, cpu... Without somebody actually opening it up and examining your laptop it would be just guessing and speculation.

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Ask Sarah Palin... She wrote the book on rogueness..
Nov 21, 2009 9:16AM PST

I am not sure if computers is covered in her book, though.

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RE: Please help ...
Dec 1, 2009 7:10AM PST

Most likely when you dropped the computer the shock caused a solder on the keyboard - computer interface to go bad imitating what is called a "cold solder." Take it to a hardware shop to fix - chances are they have seen this problem before.

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My computer goes rogue on me
Dec 4, 2009 3:38PM PST

Difficult one to answer but doubt if it is a virus or any kind of software problem. Sounds like a hardware fault to me either the hard disk drive has suffered some damage when you dropped the laptop or something got shaken partially loose and is causing the intermittent problem. If you feel confident enough in opening up the machine you could do a check on connections etc. though laptops are more difficult to work on than desktops due to their compact nature. I think you may have to bite the bullet and get a qualified computer guy to look at it.

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Please help, my computer goes rogue on me, Solution Report
Dec 31, 2009 10:30AM PST

Sorry to be so long in replying, but here goes(at last).
First a big "Thank You!" to all who made time to respond with some great suggestions.
I ran lots of scans, as mentioned before, to no avail.
So I pulled off the keyboard, checked the plug. It looked fine, though I unplugged it, re-inserted the plug and tried typing again, with no positive effect.
While looking at the back of the keyboard I did find what appeared to be debris contamination showing. The result, I think, of a recently acquired bad habit of eating near my open laptop.
I ordered and installed a new keyboard and all those troubles have gone away.
Thank you again to all who took valuable time to offer suggestions

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fix
Jan 10, 2010 2:44AM PST

try to use an usb keyboard to see if that works and try to reinstall your O.S. So you will see if you have or not problems with your operating system eventually try to install another anti-virus:http://www.avast.com

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Plug in an external keyboard
Jan 11, 2010 4:13AM PST

Plug in an external USB keyboard, use it, and see if the PC goes rogue once a day. Sounds keyboard-related to me.