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Plasma VS LCD - what are the major differences

Oct 11, 2006 12:59AM PDT

I'm pretty sure this has been asked 1000 times on here but rather than going back and searching, I thought I'd ask again.

My husband and I are currently looking at the Panasonic TH42pX600 - Apparently it's only a few months old. Anyway we actually went into Future shop looking at a SONY LCD but the sales person is a PLASMA fan and we might have let him make the decision for us. Don't get me wrong I LOVE the T.V. but my husband and I are not experts in this field therefore LCD's and Plasma's look the same to me. The ONLY difference I could see between the two was the glare that is visible in a Plasma and non existent in an LCD. Aside from this, is there any pro's and con's from one to another. I will be making this purchase in the next day or so and I'm pretty confident in the Plasma BUT I have to be sure because it's not inexpensive!!!

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Think of the Planet
Oct 13, 2006 3:58AM PDT

Spare a thought for Mother earth and her limited resources before leaving anything switched on. Oh, and by the way you might save some money too!

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No worries.
Oct 14, 2006 5:24AM PDT

Turning off the TV and leaving on your console is one way to prevent the chance of burn in. But over night? Waste of electricty... Turn off the game over night, bot it up and take the extra minutes, saves money and some wear and tear on the console as well....

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Playing Games
Oct 15, 2006 9:16AM PDT

Sony KDL-40W2000 based on What Hi-Fi, November 2006, is now the best 40"-42" TV in the world.

Why buy the Panasonic TH-42PX600 when the Sony KDL-40W2000 is far superior and doesn't have the burn problem?

Your method would only work if the entire screen actually moves.

Large section of games donot actually move, which means that your method is not perfect.

Your method may also wear out the heads faster, which definitely would be the case if it was a video recorder. what it probably would do is require cleaning more often with a cleaning Disk and Alchol liquid.

See other messages, which I have posted.

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Plasma Vs LCD
Oct 15, 2006 8:33AM PDT

I hope that you have not purchased the Panasonic TH-42PX600, before reading my various messages, which I have posted.

If the features on the Sony KDL-40W2000 is enough for you and 2'' won't make much difference than you should buy the best 40''-42'' Tv in the world instead of the third best TV.

the picture quality on the Sony KDL-40W2000 should be superior than the Panasonic TH-42PX600, reliability should be better, no problem with burning, far too many plasma TVs are wasted in manufaturer, which means that they are unreliable.


See What Hi-Fi, November 2006 magazine, which I purchased in England, which includes in its review probably at least the top five manufactures for plasma and LCD in the world.

Sony KDL-40W2000 contains the next generation of resolution 1920x1080p rather than the inferior 1080i.

Read also other messages, which I have posted.

Before I forget again the minimum standard I would buy are 1920x1080p.

SED and LCos are also new technology, which will be arriving but the Sony KDL-40W2000 is an excellent one to buy.

If your husband plays games nad decide to play a 1920x1080p game then it would be much better on a Sony KDL-40W2000 than a Panasonic TH-42PX600 and cheaper.

If you are asking yourself how is it that most people are recommending Panasonic 42PF9831D instead of the Sony KDL-40W2000 is because they are basing they arguments on subjective facts rather than objective facts and also they probably don't know about the Sony KDL-40W2000.

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Panasonic Plasma
Oct 15, 2006 8:08AM PDT

An excellent article but since it does not provide the best picture it would be awaste of money.

See previous messages, which I have posted.

At least the top two 40"-42" TVs are now LCD based on What Hi-Fi, November 2006, issue purchased in England.

The best TV at the moment is the Sony KDL-40W2000.

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Where are the actual colors and the blacks in LCD
Oct 23, 2006 1:12AM PDT

I live in tokyo and I am yet to see a LCD TV that can reproduce deep blacks consistently. Just watch MLB in a Panny or a Pio with any LCD HDTV screen aside, you will be able to notice 25% better inky blacks and vivid color reproduction in the Plasma. There is no doubt abt it and even experts here agree to it. LCDs will serve good as a PC monitor and for in-house studio shows.

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I'm sorry that I bought a Panasonic Plasma
Oct 7, 2015 5:56PM PDT

I am sorry that I bought a Panasonic Plasma. Mine lasted less than 3 years. Something happened on one of the cards and it cracked the screen from the inside out. I'm just glad it didn't start a fire. Needless to say the repair bill is more than what I paid for it. Now it's an expensive rock. Thank you Panasonic for doing nothing to help either.

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The low down.
Oct 13, 2006 11:15PM PDT

Ok gang here's what I know....

Plasma has an advantage as the screen you see is the actual picture. Larger LCD's are all rear projectors (unless you have over 15 grand to spend)
I'm talking the larger screen sizes here, but some info applies to smaller sizes as well.

Plasma burn in does still exist, but don't worry abou *** unless you use your TV in something like a monitor that has on solid picture on it for long periods of time. Or leave it for days on one station with the logo on..... In other words don't worry abou it unless you plan to abuse it Wink

Cost plasma wins out by a long shot, but if you go LCD and it's a rear projection make sure you go with "DLP"

Make sure if it's a hi-def TV that the minimum rez is 720P (not 720i or lower)
Make sure you have the hi-def tuner "in" the TV (as opposed to HD ready or compatible where you need an extrenal tuner)
Make sure you have HDMI inputs (at least one, though two are better)

Personally I'd never buy anything Sony their products look good, but their tech/ product support is horrible!

You'd want to buy one of the better large TV manufacturers.... Mitsabishi, Hatachi, or Pioneer.

Ask (most do , but ask anyway) if your new TV will boost your standard DVD's up to hi-def (ok it isn't hi-def, but at least it triesWink

Remember you must have a hi-def signal to see hi-def.
The one bit of info I'd pass along is at the moment there are no really great hi-def DVD players out there, nor any worth while hi-def PVR's either.... So recommend:
Go ahead and get your new Hi-Def TV, that's the way everything is headed, but hold off a while buying hi-def accessories, much better ones are on the way next year Wink

P.s. don't worry about the glare, that can be adjusted if your referring to the brightness. Screen glare varies from light conditions and might have just been the angle at which you looked at the TV.
Remember any large screen projection TV has one major draw back.. The more of an angle you are off to the side the more the picture will dim (or fade out)... This will not happen with a plasma TV.

I'm going palsma next spring and although 1080p signals are quite a ways off... I fell for a 58"/ 1080p/2 HDMI inputs, plasma that just came out.
LOL, but by next spring....Who knows Wink

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Composite RGB versus Digital
Oct 14, 2006 3:20AM PDT

Since you brought up the subject of DVD's.

I have both Composite RGB and Digital available on my TV and DVD player. Which will give the better DVD picture?

I've been unable to find the answer to online.

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DVD info.
Oct 14, 2006 5:18AM PDT

Any hook up in HD makes a big difference.....

There is a new one out, (but no one markets it yet)
The best is HDMI....
Theres optic fibre (but not sure where that falls as to # 1 or 2....
Those are the only way to get true digital quality.

just for the best all around I prefer Monster brand cables, but there are a lot of testa that show as long as you don't use those cheap cables that come with the DVD you'll be ok (get some that have more insulation/thicker) There are usually the red/white & yellow cables and are ok for analog signals..
For a slightly better signal use the "S" video (for picture) adn the red & white for sound.

As far as the pic quality always use HDMI (if you have it over the analog composite cables. Composite will carry a digital signal but the resistance may degrade the signal somewhat. Same goes for the standard co-ax cable....
Hope this gives you an idea Wink

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TV w/HD tuner vs HD Ready
Oct 14, 2006 6:45AM PDT

What good is a TV with an HD tuner when the only thing it will allow is receiving HD with a roof antenna. Any satellite or cable service won't give you HD signals unless you subsribe to their HD service, and then you need their box to decode the HD signal. Just because a TV has an HD tuner doesn't mean you'll be able to get HDNET or DiscoveryHD or TNTHD. You will only be able to get local HD stations...meaning maybe the 5 or 6 that broadcast in HD. So if one needs to pay a premium to get a TV that has an HD tuner, why pay for it? Might as well just pay the cable or satellite service their HD fee and get local HD too.

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Why? Because...
Oct 14, 2006 11:09AM PDT

I get 9 FREE HDTV channels over the standard RG6 cable my cable vision company runs into my house. No converter needed. Thats plenty for me. That's in addition to the 50+ SDTV channels.

Unfortunately, my favorite channels are SDTV without a HDTV alternate.

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Star like blinking on my Plasmas Screen
Nov 17, 2006 8:38AM PST

When i am changing my channels and there's that moment of lets say a Black screen.I see a little quick color blink a little star like blink.I hope someone understands what i am trying to say. Please reply

P S I hope it's not a bad Pixel i just got the TV

Harry C

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(NT) (NT) In short, Plasma is better
Oct 14, 2006 2:47AM PDT
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LCDs Vs Plasma-Sony KDL-40W Better than Panasonic TH-42PX600
Oct 14, 2006 7:07PM PDT

The question, which I think that Diphan should be asking is which is the best 40" - 42" TV and their advantages disadvantages, because some generation of; Plasma would be better than some LCDs and vice a versa.

If I was going to buy a 40" - 42" TV at the moment the principal thing, which I would be concerned with is which provides the best picture quality,reliability, has 2 HDMI inputs.

Most people claiming that Plasma provides the best picture (would probably also claim that Pioneer was the best plasma TV & Panasonic was a close 2nd), their knowledge appears to be out of date, despite that I have not seen either TVs.

I have purchased What Hi-fi? (sound & vision), No:7, July 2006 32" LCD TV (High definition (super test)- In my opinion; best: Sony KDL-32V2000 (only has 1 HDMI), 2nd best; Toshiba 32WLT66, 3rd JVC LT-32DX7.

I recently purchased What Hi-Fi? (sound & Vision), No:11, November 2006 issue in England: 40" - 42" TVs: Best Sony KDL-40W2000, 2nd Philips 42PF9831D (too big & expensive), 3rd Panasonic TH-42PX600 (best Plasma pushed to 3rd place Picture quality!?),Pioneer (up until last month use to be the best plasma TV).
Toshiba and Pioneer were both a huge disappointment.

To find out about the TVs
1:I minimise (click, top right-hand corner) CNET page
2:Then opened up Internet Explorer
3: Searched for <WWW.SONY.UK> (I live in England)
4: Within click < LCD TV >
5: For comparison ticked
A:KDL-40W and
B:KDL-40X2000
6: <Compare>
NB! I now see why the Sony is far superior because they are using the the next generation of resolutions 1920x1080p instead of the inferior 1080i, which the Panasonic is probably using. Panasonic's resolution is only 1024x768, which is low even for an inferior 1080i TV. The principal problem with 1080i is when watching fast moving objects, which I am sure was not demonstrated to you. Some problem with Plasma TVs; Burning images on to the screen and less reliable than LCDs.

I have just read the technical specifications of the Sony KDL-40W2000, I am definitely impressed a part for; It appears that the short cut, which Sony has taken is to only place one digital tuner inside the TV in stead of two, I don't know if it has picture in Picture (watch 2 differnt things on the TV (PIP)at the same time even though a PC can be cinnected to the TV,the

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no offense, but
Oct 15, 2006 8:40AM PDT

since you tried to say i know nothing about tv's in your previous post, i will defned myself.

first off, you live in england. the tv market both available models and specifications are completely different. i was talking about the american market in which the 40w2000 is not even available...and since most of the people who post here are from the US, it is kind of stupid to recommend something they cant get. the model numbers u list are completely different(and even different tv's) (other then the panasonic, and one or two others)...so...yea...enough said.

second, it sounds like you're basing your judgement on 1 or two magazines and the internet. have you evern seen the tv's you're talking about in real life? let alone the versions that are available in america and not the UK? probably not.

third, numbers are not everything. just because a car has 400 horsepower doesnt always mean it'll be faster then a car with 200 horsepower. the only source available right now in 1080p is blu-ray and very few people have that. 1080p is useful, but why would an elderly person who watch vhs or non-hd material all day want that high of a resolution?

just because you read something from a magazine and the internet doesnt mean you know. you make reference to What Hi-Fi? which i am assuming is a magazine thats only available in UK. just because they ranked 1 tv the highest doesnt mean anything. cnet ranks the pioneer plasma's the highest, and sound and vision ranks the pioneer elites as the best plasma's....but does that mean they're wrong because your magazine said so??

people come here for true and unbiased opinions. basing your judgement off numbers and 1 magazine without having actually seen the tv's you're talking about(and the tv's i'm talking about) is the part the is ridiculous. plus the fact you go on praising about tv's which are not available for most people who read this thread, and insult the people who are giving answers that are not already written down somewhere in a magazine, is even more ridiculous. i'm done with this thread. have a good day.

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You're insistent & redundant but Sony KDL-40W2000 is a moot
Oct 17, 2006 3:55AM PDT

point for the large number of us in the USA as it is UNAVAILABLE to us.

I would also hesitate to buy any major item these days from Sony.

I had a 32" XBR die in only 4 years!!! That left a sore spot for me regarding Sony.

That I associate with their precipitous corporate problems. Once the powerhouse & innovator, let betamax & memory sticks be a lesson about their propietary going it alone. Until they actually turn the company around, I won't pay a premium for their TVs which are actually reviewed as pretty darn good.

The plasma vs. lcd war has not yet played out. I figure look for more precipitous price reductions for lcds as opposed to plasmas. My unscientific claim is because a family member works for a plasma screen maker & the problem there is labor inputs & the high level of machining required.

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Barrington yawwwwwwwwwn.....
Oct 17, 2006 6:38AM PDT

Wow. Dude, I'm not sure if we should be laughing or feel annoyed by your posts.

First of all, did you read ANY OTHER reviews besides the one in the rag you keep quoting? Let's face the facts in that not EVERY review in EVERY magazine will share that opinion on the Sony.

Second, do statistics PROVE anything? No, they don't (pick up any stats book...it will tell you that in the definitions of what statistics are).

Third, where are you getting your price quotes for these two sets? You keep saying the Sony is less expensive, yet in a brief search I just found the Panasonic for under the Sony's cost. There's simply not a huge difference between the two.

And lastly, did you just mention that you had never seen the Panasonic or Pioneer plasmas?? Why go through the whole PRO-Sony argument if you've never seen the other TV in question? I can go on and on and on about how great chocolate is, but if I've never tasted vanilla, I'd be pretty foolish to say it's better!

Give us all a break. I'm sure the Sony is great. I know the Panasonic is fine. I wouldn't complain about either of them.

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Please Read and Realize the Facts !!!
Oct 23, 2006 1:15AM PDT

Never compare a panny or a pio with the sony lcds. The plasmas outperform them in every aspect. Just watch some movie or NBA or MLB or NFL keeping these units side-by-sise. If you are a picture perfectionist you will surely revert back to all of us on the facts.

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plasma vs lcd
Oct 14, 2006 10:00PM PDT

I deal with Tv every days I never seen a plasma Tv borning up ,perdonally I got plasna 1,48 cm LG and is garantee working for 15 years.
LCD have the problem of pictures slow down menas if you have light on the side of the TV you will the pictures as a rallenty this for the LCD technology effect that happen in the normal LCD screen for PC too.
Plasma maybe after 100000 hour working will need to be check if the liquid inside will be no dry or evaporate in few quantity due the hot that plasma generate
I had a previus LCD and i still have in the children bed roon ,is a sony, a difference is not visibel
Mario

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Xbr3 and sharp D62
Oct 15, 2006 1:54PM PDT

flat out the best 1080p LCD on the market. Rival any 10,000 dollar plasma TV

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Hope This Helps...
Oct 22, 2006 8:40PM PDT

I my sellf am going to buy the TH42pX600 I'm buying it A: because of cost, it costs 300-500 dollars cheaper than the other top rated models in the price range...atleast here in canada. B: Because I have a small room and Plasma just looks better at shorter distances C: Glare due to lighting is not an issue cause i have thick blinds and low glare lighting. D: I know I presonally can regulate the time I spend watching static/ semi static images.

This Is the Information I've gathered so far from sales clerks, friends and verious internet sites...

If I had kids or this was going to be a general use TV I would worry about burning of immages from CNN, NBC, ABC or my PC but since i allone have controll over this TV I can regulate its frequency of use...

Interestingly enough There are literally no standards for contrast because theres about a bajillion different ways to measure it... Contrast is only a usefull number if you compater TVs within a brand...

Essentially all TV's now are rated for 60000 hours of use... this number is considdered to be the reasonable life span for a TV for the past 15 or so years I guess... some may last longer some may not last as long... depends on abuse.

Those 3 links poseted earlier about settings for this set were verry usefull i went into future shop with these settings on a piece of paper and now the TH42pX600 looks even better than it did before.

When I finaly buy this set I will post about picture quality once i play some games on it... Silly

hope this helps!

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Panasonic Plasma vs Sony LCD
Oct 28, 2006 2:19AM PDT

Diphan, I'm not sure where you are with your purchase decision, but I read this thread with interest since I have been seriously considering the Panasonic HDTV set you mentioned in your original post. I live in the UK and therefore not all the models mentioned here will be identical in the US or elsewhere, but the basic principles will still apply. The bottom line for me is, find a dealer that you trust, and that can demo the two or three sets our are interested in side by side, preferably with the type or content that you intend to view today and that you think you will watch in the foreseeable future.

I too have been bewildered over the past few weeks by the huge number of brands, models, technologies and functions available on HDTVs. My main reason for changing my current Sony CRT is that I want a bigger screen to watch movies on - without a hefty satellite subscription I can't even get HD TV reception so the HD capability is a secondary consideration for me, although something I need a keep an eye on for the future. I have a rather large investment in (standard definition) DVDs and there whilst it is important that my purchase is reasonably future proof (has support for HDTV and HD-DVD\Blu-Ray) , but it is just as important that I can watch my existing movie collection and SD channels presented well on a large screen. Whilst 1080p is the latest big thing ad must have, you should bear in mind that the larger HD sets do not always do a great job of upscaling SD content, so if this is important to you make sure you are happy with the results through a demo before you buy, otherwise you might be frustrated when you get your new set home and your non-HD viewing is not as good as you expected. Also, not many broadcasters are are currently (or even planning ) 1080p broadcast. That is certainly true for the UK, not sure about the US, which I know is more advanced in its HDTV adoption. But since the technical constrains will be the same - i.e. the huge bandwidth requirement of a full 1080p feed, then I think that 720p for sport and 1080i for other viewing will be the dominant HD content for years to come. Not even the new generation of high definition DVD (HD-DVD/BRD) will guarantee 1080p - though they are very capable of it, it will be up to the studios to adopt that resolution. Since the players and the moves are very expensive at the moment I don't see a very compelling reason to spend an extra $1k to get a 1080p capable set just for the sake of it. Having said that if a model you choose happens to be 1080p and does all the rest you need to satisfaction then you have another potential buffer against future developments.

Having said that, based on the limited demo I had in a local store yesterday, I do not think that you would be disappointed with the Panasonic (despite not being 1080p). I was certainly impressed, to the point where I was ready to make a purchase. Whilst it may not be the best 42" set in the world, it is certainly very good for the price and on the whole that is good enough for me. The very best plasma is a Pioneer, but is it worth the extra $6k? I think not. At the end of the day there will always be something better on the horizon, but for me the price/technology curve is starting to get to a point where it makes sense to take the plunge. I'm working on the rational that I will buy something very good now (rather than the absolute best) since the saving I will make over paying the premium on the absolute best will help greatly towards the replacement down the road when something better than what I buy today will surely be available for much less. That's the nature of hi-tech Happy

The rest of this story is about a recent visit to my local TV store, since I think it illustrates the important of reliable trustworthy advice from the specialist who sell this equipment. Please keep in mind that I live in a rural area where large dealers are few and far between, and I have known the people who run this store for over 12 years and they have a reputation locally for providing excellent advice, but sadly not rock bottom prices. Nevertheless I am happy to pay the premium for the honest and unbiased advice I received.

I went to the store to get a demo of a TH42PX60. Unfortunately that set was in the window display so I was only able to get a demo of the older 37" version of this screen. A comparison was made with a 40" 6th generation Sony LCD (I don't recall the model, but it was HD capable up to 1080i). I'd explain my requirements and criteria to the shopkeeper and he talked me through the pros and cons of each technology type, demonstrated a few DVDs playing though the HDMI and SCART etc., and explained how the competing LCD and Plasma generations leapfrog each other in terms of addressing various issues such as burn in, refresh (fast motion response) colour rendition etc. I asked him about burn in, and he said that indeed it used to be an issue with the older generation Plasmas, but that he had not had a single set returned because of that (other breakdown faults, yes, but not burn in). He also mentioned that LCD was quickly catching up with Plasma in terms of displaying fast motion. I asked him for advice and he suggested that for the money TH42PX60 would probably be the best option, since the saving over the TH42PX600 would allow me to buy a HDMI equipped DVD player which combined whit the new set would give better results from DVD than the TH42PX600 with my existing SCART equipped DVD player. Given that TH42PX60 is $700 (

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Panasonic Plasma vs. Sony LCD
Oct 28, 2006 11:49PM PDT

I am also trying to understand the differences between plasma and LCD, and in particular, the better of the two, Panasonic vs. Sony. I tend to like the Panasonic picture the best. However, how much better is the 1080p technology. Regarding the Sony, it is my understanding that the Sony KDL-40XBR-2(or 3) is Sony's latest technology. Is this not correct?

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1080p is stunning if...
Oct 29, 2006 2:50AM PST

you have the right feed.

No point in spending thousands more for a 1080p set if all you are going to watch is HDTV from OTA (Over the Air) or a cable/dish provider. They only supply a 720p or 1080i feed at this time. As 1080p bandwidth requirements are much greater that is not likely to change in the next 5 to 10 years.

No point to 1080p if you are simply watching DVD's using a standard progressive scan DVD player or an upconverting player. Best they do is 480p or 720p.

IMHO there is not much point on watching 1080p media on a screen smaller than 60''. Where I think 1080p is ideal if if you have a 1080p front projector and can use a screen size greater than 92'' in a true home ''theater'' setting.

If you have an unlimited budget, go for the 46'' 1080p set. You will need a HD/BD player or a media PC to realize it's full potential. But really... if truly unlimited get a 58" or 65'' set.

Bigger is better!

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OTA 1080i with 1080p
Feb 13, 2008 9:16PM PST

Good point... although Dish ota at 1080i with a 1080p hdtv is what I have...

Pro's
my HD broadcasted channels look great (OTA/1080i/16:9 dish hdtv setup)
Con's
The non HD broadcast are not as clear as a conventional tv on my hdtv... ( some sparkles/pixelling )

whats the solution??... drop the dhtv setup to 720P for non hd? How would this affect my 1080P (converted to 1080p) reception?

or is there something else needed in the setup?

Regards

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tracking
Feb 13, 2008 9:19PM PST

tracking

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SO WHAT DID YOU GO WITH
Oct 30, 2006 5:41AM PST

Just wondering what you ended up going with....SONY LCD OR PANASONIC PLASMA????

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Did Diphan buy?
Oct 30, 2006 6:09AM PST

LOL!

That was my question for you. I can't recall if you stated what you bought and there is no way I want to read back through the previous 53 posts.

Btw... knowing you are in Canada... if you have not bought, The Brick has the Panasonic TH42PX60U on sale at $2198 CAD this week. Best price I've seen since I started shopping a year ago.

http://brickwarehouse.richfx.com/catalog_brickw_en/oct27ae/index.aspx

If you have bought, and it was from Future Shop, you may be able to go back to them and have them match this price within 30 days of purchase.

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DID NOT BUY YET
Oct 31, 2006 5:02AM PST

I was going to buy but we decided to wait a little since I hear most of them go on sale near X-mas.
I was looking at the 600 but now may be considering the 60 but thanks for the info. Yup I'm in T.O.
I should check out the brick!!!