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Pioneer PRO 1410HD vs Sony KDS-R60XBR1

Mar 30, 2006 3:21AM PST

Ok, I got it down to two TV's. I can get a deal on the Pioneer for whithin a $1,000 of the Sony. So which is the better way to go? Both seem to have comparable pictures. Here are some observations.
1. I don't need to have a TV wall mounted.
2. The Sony doesn't have the glare problem, that could be an issue for me as I do have light from a nearby window.
3. The Pioneer doesn't have the viewing angle problem which might come into play for me.
4. I have a 4 year old Hitachi RPTV. Not a big fan of RPTV's but I know the Sony technology is very different. However, in one store the Sony had a green ghost in the corner of the screen. Is that a sign of things to come down the road with this TV?
5 In the store the Pioneer Plasma looked better for SDTV.
6. The plasma seems brighter, however the resolution is only 1366x768.
7. The Pioneer plasma would allow me to wall mount in the futire if need be.

I know the ultimate TV is coming out this year, Panasonic 65'' 1080P. However, that won't be until November and it will probably cost $10,000!

I have to admit that the Sony did look good for RPTV. Maybe that is the way to go, but If I can get the Pioneer plasma at a good price is that a better way to go. Resolution aside?

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Pioneer
Mar 30, 2006 8:42AM PST

That Sony LCOS is a very fine machine and far superior to your old RPTV. Perhaps that green cast might have been an effect from a nearby unshielded speaker (just a guess here).

However, if you can get the price deal you mentioned on the Pioneer that sounds like a fantastic buy. Money no object, I would pick the Pioneer anyway, but with that price it is a steal.

I think you will find in your home you will see the plasma advantages in picture quality more clearly. Hopefully you can solve the reflection problem which should only be a daytime problem. Good luck on your choice.

RR6

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I'd go for the Sony
Mar 30, 2006 2:22PM PST

I have the KDSR-60XBR1 and I have no problems with the set. The biggest pro the tv has is that you have a higher resolution than the Pioneer. I agree about the green ghost could've been from a nearby speaker or some interference causing a green ghosting.

I like the look of plasma (who doesn't) but, assuming you're buying this tv to watch it all the time and not show it as an art piece, my biggest concern regarding plasma is that, the image gets dim and dull after a while and you constantly have to make sure you don't turn to certain channels because of "burn in" issues.

With the rptv, all you have to do is change the bulb and you're good to go (service plan in this aspect pays for itself, hint hint), also there's no "burn in" factor with rptv.

My vote goes for the Sony. Just remember if you do get it, get a service plan for it so you don't spend any money for bulbs.

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Ok.....
Mar 30, 2006 10:20PM PST

Well I've got one vote for the Sony and one for the Pioneer. Anyone want to break the tie? LOL!

Will the Plasma picture degrade over time as suggested by the last post?

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Yes They Will.....
Apr 1, 2006 10:28AM PST

.....degrade over time. However we are talking a long time. Most quality plasmas have a 60,000 hour expected life rating which I think most manufacturers mean at what life the brightness will be at half the original.

If you average 4 hours a day watching time we are talking here about 41 years!

If you use common sense and turn down the brightness and contrast to about 50% or more which I think you will find is very realistic for the best picture quality, you should have no problems. Also follow the recommended rules for reducing burn-in. No 4x3 signals for the first 100 hours and no more than 10% 4x3 for the next 900 hours (use the strech modes 100% of the time, which you will find you will always use after you become adjusted to them) and turn the brightness and contrast down (these are good recommendations to extend the life of all displays). Use the built in burn-in reducing features. Burn-in is only a current problem in the minds of the paranoid.

The real test is to forget all the talk about burn-in and fading brightness on plamsas, it is no longer a concern. Choose based upon the best picture quality and any aesthetic or functional or feature differences that might be important to you.

RR6

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Thanks...
Apr 4, 2006 2:32AM PDT

I appreciate the info. I was wondering if burn was still a real problem today. I did see a post where somone did expirience some burn in after a few weeks. I guess the only question for me, how does 720P compare with 1080i?

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The Main difference is...
Apr 4, 2006 3:09PM PDT

frames per second. I believe 720 does 60fps, while 1080i does 30fps. Where this comes into play is in fast moviing images and such. I agree with the previous post. Go to a store and compare both models side by side, ask ig they can put them side by side or spend a good couple of hours looking at them very meticulously and with a very picky eye. Play with the settings and try to set both of them the same wat so that you can look at the similarities and differences of each set. When you set them up leave every setting in the middle (brightness, sharpness, color, hue, picture, iris, etc), that should give you a baseline to start from).

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Burn-in
Apr 4, 2006 4:30PM PDT

No one will experience burn-in in several weeks unless they have watched the same image for 24 hours per day, with a static picture or a black border that never changes.

This will never happen even over years if you follow the reasonable rules above and never leave a static image on the screen for any significant time. More than several minutes. I am careful. If I pause a movie instead of hitting the stop button when I take a break, then I put the movie in extra slow reverse motion. This keeps the pixels moving, just common sense. Plasmas are not for static images. If one watches nothing but 4x3 tv and does not stretch the image then of course you will eventually have a burn-in problem. If you watch the financial channel only, 8 hours a day, with the ticker on the bottom then you could have a problem. Normal TV use for Television and DVD movie watching is no problem.

720p and 1080i give almost equal picture quality. 720p is slightly better for sports and moving images and 1080i is slightly better for static images. If I had the choice of watching HDTV in either 720p or 1080i, I would choose 720p.

RR6