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Perfect timing from the catholic church again!

by Dan McC / July 9, 2004 1:51 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Re: better late than never... Maybe????
by Mary Kay / July 9, 2004 2:27 AM PDT
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MK, you're so kind and generous of spirit.You should be Pope
by Dan McC / July 9, 2004 2:53 AM PDT

Oh, wait.

NO GIRLS! ! !

Wink

Dan


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(NT) (NT) Re:And they don't let you retire. Well I won't elaborat
by Mary Kay / July 9, 2004 5:28 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Popes can retire.
by Dan McC / July 9, 2004 5:33 AM PDT
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Re: (NT) Popes can retire -- it's happened once.
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / July 9, 2004 6:17 AM PDT
In reply to: (NT) Popes can retire.

More often, they're "retired," via poison. As reportedly John Paul I was Sad

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Don't tell me, Dave...
by J. Vega / July 9, 2004 8:12 AM PDT

You said, "As reportedly John Paul I was". Don't tell me, let me guess, your "proof" was the third Godfather movie (grin). BTW, watch out for "movie history", I seem to remember once when organized crime was the subject your "history" of Bugsy Siegel reeked of the Warren Beatty movie "Bugsy". (BTW, not the thread that touched upon where the term "Mafia" first appeared and became popular in the U.S. press.)

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Re: Don't tell me, Dave...
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / July 9, 2004 8:44 AM PDT
In reply to: Don't tell me, Dave...
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Re: Perfect timing from the catholic church again!
by SE Moderators / July 9, 2004 3:41 AM PDT

Hey, Dan.

We didn't apologize for slavery until Clinton -- and many on the right said that was inappropriate!

-- Dave K.
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Re: Perfect timing from the catholic church again!
by Dan McC / July 9, 2004 4:18 AM PDT

I always hope for better behavior.

Dan

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Re: Perfect timing from the catholic church again!
by Angeline Booher / July 9, 2004 5:55 AM PDT

(And the Inquisition?)

Excepting the anti-Semitism, nobody is still around from the others.

Seriously, there have been terrible events in the name of religion, and not limited to the Catholic Church.

I have doubts that the Orthodox Church- Russian or Greek- will ever unite with the Roman Church, not only because of the history, but because of the Papacy.

Church bodies continue to split, even today.

I admire the Russian Church for keeping alive over so many years under terrible circumstances.

Angeline
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Re: Russian Orthodox

Hi, Angeline.

>>I admire the Russian Church for keeping alive over so many years under terrible circumstances.<<
me too, but it's a dying Church. Only the old women go to Church these days, based on what we saw last year (I will get those pictures up when we return...) The Russian orthodox Church is greatly in need of a reform movement like Vatican II (except JP2 is rapidly eroding many of the modernizations that were voted in then Sad ) For example, the Orthodox liturgy uses a Medeival Russian that no one but the clergy can understand -- much as if the Mass in America were said in Middle English.

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Re: Russian Orthodox
by Angeline Booher / July 9, 2004 6:46 AM PDT
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Hi, DaveK,

A bed and breakfast we frequented was a block from a large church. As we usually were there in the same time period, we always hit a Novena. A huge attendance.

By the women, that is. The men stood across the street, having great concversations. (Joe loved to join them.) But it apparently had always been that way. We saw it while passing by rural churches.

They are having the same problem, though,in losing their young.

Angeline
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Re: Russian Orthodox
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / July 9, 2004 7:34 AM PDT
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Hi, Angeline.

Was this in a Russian community over here, or did you and Joe visit Russia?

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Nope.
by Angeline Booher / July 9, 2004 7:56 AM PDT
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Re: Nope.
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / July 9, 2004 8:56 AM PDT
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Hi, Angeline.

Ireland??? Not where one thinks of a large Orthodox community!

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(NT) (NT) Times have been a-changing/
by Angeline Booher / July 9, 2004 9:47 AM PDT
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I assume you were refering to...
by J. Vega / July 9, 2004 7:32 AM PDT

I assume you were refering to "the Spanish Inquisition" part of the Inquisitions. How long did it take for many non-Catholic (after the Protestant split) churches to apologize for things like burning "witches"?

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Re: I assume you were refering to...
by Angeline Booher / July 9, 2004 8:07 AM PDT

You are correct, J.

While I was writing the above, I also was thinking of Joan of Arc. I got a wonderful book about her as a child, then saw the movie with Ingrid Bergman. Though I am not naive, it is still hard to think what people can do to others out of ignorance, like burning them at the stake.

And to think that in the Salem Witch Hunts, for instance, people stood around and watched .... and listened.:-(

Angeline
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Re: I assume you were refering to...
by Diana Forum moderator / July 9, 2004 11:15 AM PDT

Religion was and is used as an excuse for so many of the evil things people do to each other. It isn't just Catholics that burned witches; Protestants did it too. They both ran progroms throughout Europe against Jews and, really, anyone that didn't bow down to the current religious flavor. Also condemning someone of witchcraft because the local ruler wants his/her property didn't stop with Ahab and Jezebel.

The people usually just bowed to the religion of the current ruler. At the time of the American Revolution, the United States was the first country that really offered freedom of religion. Rome might have come close.

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Re: I assume you were refering to...
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / July 10, 2004 2:04 AM PDT

Hi, Diana.

Witch hunts weren't really about religion -- they were aimed at intelligent, indpendent women living alone, and thus not kow-towing to the male-dominated society of the times.

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Burning witches, Diana...
by J. Vega / July 10, 2004 2:16 AM PDT

Diana, back when the Inquisitions were going on, the Catholic Church examined the question of "witches" and ruled (in the era of the Spanish Inquisition) that there was no such thing. The Protestant religions did not agree, and continued to burn people for witchcraft.
Ghosts of that disagreement go on to this day. Ever notice (especially in the "Deep South") that some fundamentalist religions are opposed to, and fight things they say are dealing with witchcraft, down to the level of objecting to kids celebrating Halloween and some dressing as witches. Notice that the Catholic Church has no trouble with kids and Halloween, that church found the "witch" nonsense to be a myth long ago.

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Catholic bashing again????
by Steven Haninger / July 9, 2004 12:21 PM PDT

Here's how I see this. We have a world in which, if persons of one religion step on (or seem to) the toes of another there is risk of great danger. The written and oral histories of many religious groups include volumes on the abuses they endured while holding onto or attempting to spread their own faiths. There was plenty of violence and death. At one time or another, all had a part as victims and another as agressors. Children of a religious faith family/community, learn of persecution at a most impressionable age when real thought and wisdom to properly digest such information is not yet present in their own brains. They learn to hate without really understanding why. They accept it and never get over it and just pass it on to their own children. Centuries...milleniums go by and it's still status quo. Now we have an aging Pope of a church with it's own, and not always stellar, history who may be making a small attempt to recognize that in his own faith sins have been committed and is asking forgiveness. To me, this is the essence of reconcilliation and not a bad place to start as an example to others. Yes, I am catholic. I am not a catholic "apologist" (the term refers to a defender and not one saying he/she is sorry) but I am proud that our Pope has done this. Bashing sometimes strengthens ones convictions so keep it coming if you wish.

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(NT) (NT) Just observing
by Dan McC / July 10, 2004 1:10 PM PDT
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