Pentagon on lockdown after shooting.

...someone else's bad aim? What about drunks who drive cars? Should your right to drive be judged by their failure to drive properly? Should you be barred from swimming because others aren't able or they'd drown? Your "reasoning" doesn't make sense.

to be a gun topic. Actually, I do, but it shouldn't be.

to be about drunk driving? or Swimming?

The subject line of James original post was about "shooting". Shooting means guns, in this case, not football.

Kees

You KNOW the subject was NOT about guns. How silly.

The Blue-Yellow line at the Pentagon station

It's not so bad that threads get sidetracked, it's the complete lack of knowledge of topics at hand that people post about that makes it bad.

this just seems like a rehash.

Would now be a good time?

They have problems walking to the car, driving and draw attention to themselves.

Crazy people with guns walk straight, then at the last minute draw their gun and kill.

Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're crazy, It also doesn't mean you're sane.

Treat every weapon as loaded, threat every civilian that feels the need to carry a weapon as ???????

I'd rather error on the side of caution.

....... easily confronted the problem by not being a Starbucks customer.

I also stay away from the restaurants that permit them and never go into the parks that do.

Angeline

As I see it, both places, those where some good citizens might carry arms and those where only bad citizens would be carrying arms might be dangerous, but the greater danger is where you nor others can adequately protect you against the bad citizen.

Do you carry a weapon?

Why?

when I feel a need. My life is more important than any law set against it. I also go to the local range, but then, that's not really any of your business.

If someone asks me something that is none of their business, I don't answer, then tell them it's none of their business.

I either don't answer or I tell them it's none of their business.

Since you answered that you carry a weapon "at times", I guess the other times you depend on someone else for protection.

I'm going to have a nap now, but then, that's not really any of your business.

I have yet to personally know anyone who was "protected" by a total stranger with a gun in any public place.

IMO, having been granted a gun permit and a permit to carry in no way whatsoever reflects upon the mental stability , anger control, or the ability to make the best split-second decisions. I find it unthinkable that guns are permitted where alcohol is sold.

I would not feel one iota safer if there were a bunch of people around me who are carrying.

It has not been uncommon here for guys to at least go outside the restaurant to the parking lot for their shoot-outs..

I do not live in the wild wild west so do not fell the need for vigilantes.

I will leave my protection in the hands of professionals.


Angeline

They have no right to be armed unless we have that right. In a nation of the people, by the people, they have no right beyond those of every other citizen. Obviously we can't grant any "right" or "privilege" we don't have. Unless we have it, it can't be granted. Therefore if the citizens can't carry guns, then the police can't either. So, if those who are serious about gun control weren't hypocritical about it, they should demand police do their job without carrying guns. Can't be done? Why not? They face dangers we don't? No, they face the same dangers we do, but on a more regular basis. Their life is worth no more than mine or yours or anyone else's. It's worth no less either. To the bad guy, everyone's life is worth less than his and whatever he wants to take from you.

...... to live where part of the fabric includes law and order.

To even attempt a serious discussion is impossible because those who believe the right to bear arms has a different interpretation than I do because :

They insist I want to '"ake way their guns"

They say I do not believe I am not as safe without all of those carriers

Those who support gun control are not part of the "of.....by....for the people" To say they are is hypocritical. I disagree as I trust even an off-duty officer far more the Wyatt Earp. (And he was a good shot, or at least a practiced one.)

I can drive a car. That requires being licensed. But that does not make me qualified to drive a race car. We all know what happens when somebody plays Dale Earnhart, Jr. on the streets,

So, carry your gun anywhere it is legal to do so. I know it makes you feel safe and secure. Just give me a modicum of respect for staying away from you.

Angeline

You might find it interesting to research the life of Wyatt Earp. Historical accounts somewhat differ from movie and TV show accounts.

only bad people (and police) carry guns. So it's an easy decision: if you see anybody (not police) with a gun, the best thing to do is hide or run away.

Long ago in America it was en vogue to shoot buffalo's, grizzly bears and the occasional Indian (yes, I read my Karl May when being young). But now (like shooting at policemen, as Ed so clearly told) that would be frowned on, I think. Somehow, however, the habit of carrying a gun stayed around. Probably to show you're a real American man and to impress the girls.

Strange people, those Americans (that's a quote from Asterix, although he was talking about Romans).


Kees

...is interested in "impressing the girls", but instead has valid concerns. I believe that is true about many other good people who carry open or concealed.

All that running you speak of, are you sure you're not French?

it's better than huddling on the floor

When you "huddle" you become invisible?

He saw most of the congregants, including the choir, huddled on the floor. Pastor LeVias was at the front of the church on the floor behind the counter.

Since you spend time on the gun range, you should realize it's easier to hit a stationary target than a moving target.

Of course they aren't French, and neither is Kees, but what's that got to do with anything.,

OK, I got it, more sniping at the French.

they help stop bullets. Getting down below the pew level CAN help save lives.

lots of bad people in Europe were carrying guns. It's a pity there weren't more good people with guns who could have stopped them before they ravaged the continent and killed millions.

By we dumb Americans have not had to endure the "civilized" ways of Europe.

This thread certainly wasn't about the second world war. Nor about any other war, I think.

You don't think all military bad people, I suppose? Only the German army around 1940, maybe?
Suggesting that any good private person with a gun could have stopped the Nazi's is ridicule, I think.

Kees

It's 75 years late.

But it would really be interesting to see what happens when 4 million NRA members start fighting the US army. That idea be comparable to your absurd ideas about what should have happened in Europe.

Kees

Totally off the wall. Go back to sleep.