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When Apple decides to do so.
There are illegal ports, but you and I can't use or discuss that.
I wonder about your cost issue. The Mac mini is on par with many low cost PCs. Can you share why you feel their product is more expensive?
Buid my own, possibly
I intend on either building my own, or buying a pre-built higher power system for photo/video editing (and perhaps a game or two down the line) and understand the higher end Macs (G5) are more expensive than similar powered PC (I know, you can't compare on sheer processor Ghz spec numbers to determine speed) and am not sure about hardware upgradeability. Gaming I also understand, is not Mac's forte` either. Besides, I am going to be using a PC at work and need easy compatibility with it.
The world changes very soon.
The Mac Intel machines may appear in the first months of 2006. So keep that in mind.
Building your own PC is not an option for many since they can't support such a machine. Every day we read posts in these forums for help installing an OS. It seems the current offerings by Microsoft don't install without a lot of help.
Given the decades Microsoft has been at this, why hasn't this been fixed?
"Given the decades Microsoft has been at this...
..., why hasn't this been fixed?"
I'm guessing it keeps the Help associated people at Microsoft and other companies employed, arrogance, laziness, the list goes on.
"Building your own PC is not an option for many since they can't support such a machine. Every day we read posts in these forums for help installing an OS. It seems the current offerings by Microsoft don't install without a lot of help."
Which is wy I'm still on the fence as to whether or not I want to BMO. I think I could handle the assembly and initial OS installation, but the things that crop up from time to time would be tougher for me to handle. I've never taken so much as an online course, I've learned everything I know from this and other forums. But I know I've barely scratched the surface in what's needed in the way of tech. knowledge!
"Given the decades Microsoft has been at this...
Acording to Steve B, M$ is better because it is written by professionals. And the other OS(linux) is writen by amatures.
So the arrogance comes from the highest athourity at M$. John
The rumors are running wild,,, Mac OS for every PC,,Billy G can't sleep!!! Oh well wishfull thinking. John
I used to use macs
and I got a pc primarily for the varieties of material avialable. My personal opinion is that the Mac OS is far superior and would be a great thing for the PC to have a competing operating system, I would switch the day it was made available.
Choice would be nice
It really is a shame that we can't just go out and buy whatever hardware, whether it's the cool and stylish (and expensive) Mac G5, kick butt PC, or any type of box we want, and pick the OS that fits our needs. I know there's all kinds of licencing, proprietary territorial pissing crap going on, as well as having to match up all the other programs, but maybe with a new MacIntel the door will open a crack. I've never had a chance to use a Mac and would like the opportunity to try it without having to spend the $$ for a whole new computer. And I'm not enough of a techie guy to try Linux.
You made the case for the Mac.
The wide range of hardware for the PC is both its blessing and curse. What would happen to (Intel) MacOS would not be pretty if such choice was allowed.
As proof, count all the posts about video drivers in these forums.
I agree, you still have the issue of making sure you have Mac version of drivers and purchase programs in that version. I still have to do that to some extent when I upgrade from Windows ME to XP. I know there is a lot of backwards compatibility going on there, but I bet there wont't when Windows goes 64 bit. Ideally, couldn't you do a dual boot system with all appropriate drivers, and try each OS?
Windows already went 64-bit.
XP64 is already here. It's highly compatible (runs Microsoft Office and more that I will list) but drivers and lowlevel items must be XP64 compliant.
The issue for some is they want the "plug it in and it works" type OS and Microsoft doesn't supply that. Partly because of all the hardware choices.
I think you see the problem.
Hardward and OS
I'm thinking of the idealistic notion that one computer having the potential to run whatever OS the user wants. I know PCs can run any version of Windows they want or Linux, provided that drivers and other applications are available. Macs can run Virtual PC if they need Windows, but there is no option for a PC to run a Mac OS.
"there is no option for a PC to run a Mac OS."
I can't discuss that non truth here. But I think you get the general idea that there are 2 distinct mind paths here.
The group that demands it will work.
The group that want to build it themselves, will accept they have to find the nuts and bolts to tie it together and hold the OS provider blameless when it fails.
You could try buying an old one...
you could try buying an old one just to try out the operating system, I bet you could find an old one for sale somewhere get an LC iii or a Classic. I have a friend who is a computer consultant who runs Linux, But my video card won't operate with Linux, I also don't know enough about computers yet to use it, and since less will run on it...
I think I'd run into more compatibility issues with Linux than Mac. I also think that if I'm going to jump OSs, I'd feel more comfortable trying Mac.
RE: PC's running Mac OS?
I talked to my Apple rep just a few days ago about this. He told me that in about a year Apple will be releasing their first Mac with the Intel processor. It will be capable of running Windows programs once you install the Windows OS program.
Now, whether or not PC's will be able to run Mac programs in the future remains to be seen. Every company is into making money so I wouldn't be surprised.
You say you don't know anything about Mac's. I switched from a PC to a Mac and have never regretted it. I absolutely love my iMac. In my opinion it's much easier to use and it can't be beat if you do a lot of graphic work (which I do). You are right about them being cool and stylish. I would suggest if you want to learn more about them, go to your local CompUSA store and seek out the Apple rep for a demo. You will be amazed at what those Macs can do! They are totally awesome!
CompUSA Mac demo is a good idea, since no one I know that's nearby owns one (getting computer help from friends is one reason I bought a PC in the first place). The issues I might have in going to a Mac are:
If I buy a lower cost model now, how upgrade
friendly are they when I need more speed? I know
if I stay with a PC the options are endless.
The faster G5 models are spendier than a
I know that for graphics I would have
great choices. But what about business apps?
I checked Quicken's site and it looked
like the only Quick Books option for
Mac was the $200 Pro version. I also worry about
other software, like UPS shipping/tracking for
my computer at work.
I will definitely check out a Mac the next time I'm at Compo USA and ask the salesperson these questions. I just don't like surprises later down the line when I find out that some new app I need is "PC only".
I guess the bottom line is if they design the next generation Mac OS to run on an Intel-based Mac, would that open the door for that new OS to run on an Intel-based PC? I know, it's a bit of an ignorant question since I'm sure there are more issues than just making sure I have the right drivers installed.
Mac currently runs on x86 and AMD64 hardware.
Keep up on current events. The PPC architecture was abandoned two years ago.
And you are replying to 3 year old posts.
Hey Porch, time to pay attention!
Too many parts of the system is open source and OpenDarwin is still existing- finding a copy is difficult- for people to use. One can build FreeBSD to use the NeXtStep environment- gnustep- and have a system similar to a Mac to work with.
I did say similar. You would have to install it to an HFS/HFS+ volume. This would require a few Linux emulation models & binaries to be built.
/boot/kernel defaults Linux emulation=yes hfs emulation support activated or enabled by vi rewrite of kernel modules. Fdisk on a separate hd should help some.
Beyond this, I don't know.
Nice but your posts are getting removed too often.
Time to start paying attention.
This discussion is very old. Locking.
pcs running mac os
is it possible to run mac leopard on a pc
As such the CNet forums can't discuss it past this point.
But beware the PSYSTAR as it appears to be a phishing scam. Read http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3761
"Walk through the Psystar fiasco with me. Many things are confusing. At a minimum, it?s clear that the OpenMac is bogus. It?s extremely dubious that Psystar is a legitimate company. It is increasingly likely that the whole thing is a phishing or credit-card scam."
Porting the kernel
If you know how to use the FreeBSD binutils along with GCC make for porting to different architectures- along with knowing what my post below states about open source licenses- you can.
For any moderators and editors who may disagree with me: Look at the sources for the current Apple OS and at the BSD licenses being used. Those parts used of open source are available to the public for modifying.
Vendor lock-in and other bad standards.
Pay attention to this post. Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD 4.0 and the NeXtstep environment and has been ported to the x*^ and AMD64 chip sets. If you think it cannot be used, think again. You need to be able to use kernel tools. There is nothing stopping you from chnaging what hardware it runs on, but, you will need to be able to write drivers. This is not an easy task. Kernel hacking a closed source system cannot be done within the system itself. You'll need to do some studying.
If anyone says, "A Mac and a PC are different," they are full of BS. Again, it uses the same chip. According to the BSD license, they must say that they have used the sources and/ or the binary- either one as long as it is credited- and those sources should be available to you. NeXtstep currently exists as the gnustep project with its sources- and binaries- also available to you.
You may want to also study the OpenDarwin model.