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PC Shuts down by itself, sometimes freezes

Sep 5, 2010 7:24AM PDT

AMD Athlon 4800+, dual core
Asus M2N, Nforce 430
WD 160 gb
NCP 2gb 800 MHz
Asus GF 8600 GT, 256 DDR3
Chieftec 400 W
UPS - Mustek, 600W

Windows XP, SP3

About a week ago, PC shut itself (without warning or "goodbye screen"). Monitor was still on and I received "no signal" message from it. After that I could start it immediately and it worked smoothly until the end of the day (for about 10 hours).

Day after, it shut itself, again. I wasn't playing anything or doing anything that would ovedload it... Again, i could start it right away.

Few hours after that, he froze.

Here are the temperatures measured by EVEREST:

Core 1 31C
Core 2 34C
CPU 18C
MB 34C
MCP 55C
HDD 33C
GPU 37C

I keep it clean, so it's not dusty. I've taken out RAM and Graphic card, then cleaned RAM and GPU slots. Fans are clean and quiet. After cleaning it's slots, PC worked smoothly until yesterday (for about 5-6 days, and I hoped I solved the problem). Yesterday it shutdown itself and froze again. This morning, same thing hapened...

I ran Gold Memory Scan this morning and haven't find any hardware problem. I also checked my HDD with WD Lifeguard. All clean.

Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and SUPERAntiSpyware Professional say "no threats".

For Windows (XP3) maintaining I use Advanced SystemCare Pro and software similar to it...

First thing that came to me was bad PSU or bad UPS. I've disconected PC from UPS, it's been working for 10 hours by now (which means nothing, 'cause it worked 5 days smoothly since its last shutdown)...

Also, my UPS is very noisy, some kind of a high-pitched noise. And when power goes off, PSU gets its power from the UPS. That's the moment when PSU becomes noisy, too. I can hear some crackling sounds coming from it...

That's the way the cookie crumbles for about 3 years. Never had any problem with that, and I haven't paid attention to it...

So, does anyone know what can be the issue? I will see if it is going to work better when disconected from UPS...

Thanks.

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400 Watt looks too close to the edge.
Sep 5, 2010 11:40AM PDT

I like to see 100 or more spare Watts for such systems. Pushing the PSU hard for years takes a toll. Maybe it's time for a bigger PSU as well as time to pull the heatsinks, apply fresh compound and clean everything.
Bob

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You are probably right
Sep 5, 2010 8:18PM PDT

Yeah, I should buy new PSU, 550 Watts more than this one has...

Yesterday, I've disconected PC from UPS, it worked 14 hours, no problems :s

So, you're saying PSU can weaken over time?

Also, my UPS is very noisy, some kind of a high-pitched noise. And when power goes off, PSU gets its power from the UPS. That's the moment when PSU becomes noisy, too. I can hear some crackling sounds coming from it...

What do you think about that?

PS Maybe I should replace UPS, too...

Thank you very much for your time, Bob!

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PSU
Sep 5, 2010 8:25PM PDT

Which PSU do you recomend?

What do you think about "LC Power"?

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Sorry,
Sep 5, 2010 10:41PM PDT

I'm not saying it weakens over time. Every electronics designer says that. Here's the component that is why -> The electrolytic capacitor loses capacity with time. Push it harder (such as more load on the PSU) and you accelerate the aging. If you want you can research this component of the PSU but let's move on.

Removing it from the UPS could give it a cleaner AC signal. Some UPS will not put out a true sine wave but it does not matter here. Your test is a good one and points to the usual aging issue.

I'm sticking with my advice of adding 100 more Watts to the PSU (you did me one better by adding 150.) And let me share my personal desktop has a PSU that is more than double what the higher Watts I see the desktop draw on the Watt Meter (yes I own a Watt Meter.)

It's like a car. Take your car and run it at 120 MPH and see how long it takes to break down versus 60 MPH. It would be quite short.

--> And my advice about cleaning stands. Most won't clean the vents much less the inside until the machine fails. My advice is a yearly (your birthday is a good reminder for this and fire alarm batteries) cleaning of at least the vents and dust out the insides. Spend 2 minutes a year and extend a machine's life by years.
Bob

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Fans are clean
Sep 5, 2010 11:47PM PDT

I know dusty fans can make trouble. I clean those fans once in a year.

I've changed Graphic Card fan (became too noisy), so it's brand new.

But I haven't changed PCU's thermal paste. Maybe I should do that too.

Ok then, I'll buy new PSU Happy

Also, I would be very thankful if you can tell me about that noise coming from UPS and PSU I've described in previous post.

PS I would like to use this UPS in the future, but ofcourse I'll throw it away if it can make some damage to my new PSU (when a guy from PC shop heard about that "UPS noise issue" he suggested UPS damaged PSU - that would be real irony, I've bought it to protect my PSU)...

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Sep 6, 2010 12:04AM PDT

*PCU's thermal paste - I thought CPU's... sry

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No problem.
Sep 6, 2010 1:19AM PDT

I think you have a solid grasp on the issues of the usual problems.

I like installing fresh CPU thermal paste for many reasons. It lets me wipe off the old (I don't get every microgram off) apply new and be sure the heat sink is on proper. Also it gives me a chance to clean that item.

Bob

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Your opinion on the UPS would be appreciated
Sep 6, 2010 3:02AM PDT

I don't know if you've read my message about noisy UPS...

(from previous post:

my UPS is very noisy, some kind of a high-pitched noise. And when power goes off, PSU gets its power from the UPS. That's the moment when PSU becomes noisy, too. I can hear some crackling sounds coming from it... I would like to use this UPS in the future, but ofcourse I'll throw it away if it can make some damage to my new PSU. When a guy from PC shop heard about "UPS noise issue" he suggested UPS damaged PSU - that would be real irony, I've bought it to protect my PSU).

Do you think I can keep using it (UPS) when I buy new PSU?

PS Sorry for bothering you this much, but it seems yours answers are very "logic and knowledge" based.

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Sorry.
Sep 6, 2010 3:14AM PDT

Noise from a PSU is a bad sign. All we want to hear is the fans. Anything else and we know the coils inside are trying to move (this is the only component in today's PSU that should be able to emit noise.)

The PSU noise beyond the fans is a bad sign and a sign for stress.

Upping the Watts should help. I can't tell what the UPS is but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817146604 you want a step-approximated sine wave or a real sine wave. Those old square wave units are rough on some supplies.

Hope this helps,
Bob

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Thank you so much!
Sep 6, 2010 3:46AM PDT

Thank you so much for your help and your time!

PS I'll feel free to post here if I have any problems in the future.

All the best!

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Sep 6, 2010 12:32PM PDT

hi friend . I had faced this same problem on my amd sempron pc.. I thought it's a problem of your smps check with other smps

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Thanks
Sep 6, 2010 11:32PM PDT

Working on it already Wink (Found decent 500W PSU)

Thanks.