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PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot disks

Jul 30, 2004 4:23AM PDT

Freezes while reading boot disks
Freezes during F8 menu selection - if I select
boot to DOS,restore or Safe the PC starts to perform request then freezes while making attempt.
If I do not attempt F8 access it will get to ScanDisk
and usually around 31-37pct generate errors below:

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe

\system volume information\-restore{1DC9-F2F5-ADBD-472F-A7D5-079295E16878}\RP613\A0061014.INI
First allocation unit is not valid. The entry will be truncated

VOLUME SER#1E4F-09D2\windows\lastgood.tmp first allocation unit not valid the entry will be truncated

and so on...different like msg each time I boot.
Before each freeze - keyboard will flash then lock

I have powered off - tried diff kybrd - tried diff mouse - tried no mouse - tried Mcafee boot - tried dos boot disk - tried factory boot disk+CD /attempted F8 access - attempted CMOS/BIOS access - no matter what I try - 30-60 secs after power up - PC freezes.

Have V2 premier P4 XP Home edition with plenty of RAM
and HD space.

PC is 3yrs new - tech help contract expired
Any ideas?

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 5:13AM PDT

It sounds to me as if XP has been corrupted, you need to do a repair of the system or go back to a previous repair point. Do you have the xp cd or did it come pre-installed without cd's? If it did then you need to contact the person you bought it from and get a copy, if not it is down to the shop and buy a new one and do a total restore as it is unlikely that a new version will accept the old serial number. Did you register the software? if so that 'nice' Mr Gates might be able to send you a replacement cd, at a cost of course.

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 5:33AM PDT

This is my mom's PC - I imagine that it is registered as she was getting scheduled updates from Microsoft site. It came pre-installed with a factory version of XP - I am unable to access CD drive from her PC and when I pop it in - there is no autostart action going on - and if there was - the PC is freezing before it can read the drive.

If I went out and bought a new XP Home CD - would it install automatically? - could it bypass the freeze?
and would there be registration issues?

What would cause the freeze is it a hardware issue?
Can I buy a replacement part(other than buying a new hardrive) or is it strictly a software issue?

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 5:41AM PDT

can you boot from a floppy disk? when you switch the pc on do you get any messages on the screen, does it make any beeps?

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 5:58AM PDT

I get 2 beeps - no error msgs - starts loading as if
everything is fine - I cannot get to a C: prompt
to perform anything and yes it attempts to read from the A drive if I put in a floppy but as soon as it starts reading and performing boot from A: it completely freezes at whatever screen happens to be present after about 30seconds.

It Freezes when I select boot from F8 menu
It Freezes when setup menu appears on BIOS setup
If I don't interract and just let it go -
It goes to Scandisk until about 30pct and freezes at point of error msgs described above.
If I escape Scandisk the XP logon apears like normal
but as soon as I try to use kybrd or mouse to select
logon or shutdown access - it freezes.

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 6:22AM PDT

Sorry to say that your computer is almost certainly failing what is called POST. This means that you have a hardware fault. POST is the basic system check and bleeps are not good news.
I would start by changing the mouse and the keyboard. After that remove any unnecessary slot cards e.g. internal modem, sound card etc.

If none of those clear the fault then you have to consider the motherboard, CPU (unlikely) memory (also unlikely)

It could also be the hard drive but that is also unlikely, you would get a different error if that were the case. From your statement that it freezes when you touch the keyboard it is likely to be in that area, Coke, tea, coffee has not been split on it has it?

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 6:44AM PDT

First, Thank You, I have never tried this board before and I am completely impressed with your quick responses. I have been working on this off and on for 3wks - and I walk away for a couple of days when I can't take it anymore which is why I decided to seek online help.

I did replace the mouse and keyboard to no avail.
And, No, nothing was spilled on the Kybrd or mouse.
I'll try removing the modem card and reboot then try the sound card etc. and pray that it works.

If none of these are suspect - is the pc toast?
Can I bypass POST system check or download something to fix it?

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 3:28PM PDT

I think you are not alone with this matter. I received the same messages when I recently had additional memory installed on my computer. One of the memory slots in my motherboard can't lock down one of my memory cards.

Although I got the full 1Gigabyte of physical memory, seems that when a memory module is not seated well, chances are you'll be getting a ton of errors.

Check your memory if it's seated well. If possible, remove, then reinsert one of them(if you have two of them), then turn on your computer. Do not cancel chkdsk or scandisk for that matter, and let Windows launch. If it takes too long to boot up the computer (5-6 minutes to boot up is ok, including scandisk), turn off the computer and change your memory (If you only have one memory module installed, borrow one from a friend Happy ).

If this doesn't work, you have a completely different problem with mine.

Good luck.

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Re: PC freezes 30 secs after power up - cannot use Boot dis
Jul 30, 2004 1:41PM PDT

Your hard drive is damaged or corupt. Alternatively, if you have installed any new cards lately take them out. Try starting with a Norton Utilities or AntiVirus disk. But make sure you set the starting order for bootup in BIOS. If you are trying to clean boot with a floppy, make sure Drive A is the first device in the boot sequence. If you are trying to boot off a CD then the CD has to be the first device on the sequence list.

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Time to see if the basic mobo,CPU & memory work.
Jul 31, 2004 4:07AM PDT

Disconnect power and signal to all drives, remove all cards including the video. Leave one memory stick in, the CPU and HSF. No monitor [nowhere to connect it LOL]. Turn power on. Should get many beeps meaning no video.

Remember that when you turn an ATX system Off via normal shutdown, there is still 5 volt logic voltage applied to the mobo. Best to turn switch on the rear of the supply off while you are in the computer.

If you get the multiple beeps power off, install the viseo card and hook up the monitor. [no keyboard or mouse]. Turn power on, should get the screen that tells you what video card you have and no or one beep.

If it works that far, power off and cnnect a keyboard. Power on and get into the BIOS, set to boot from the floppy.

Then reconnect the floppy power and signal cable.

Then add one thing at a time to see what causes the failure to complete the POST and boot to the point that the hardware you have at that point allows.

Adding equipment adds to the load on the Power Supply, thus your PS may crap out when all the hardware is connected. You may be failing the DMI due to defective component being detected. Your process of elimination will identify the culprit.

OBSERVE all ESD precautions by grounding oneself frequently.

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Re: Time to see if the basic mobo,CPU & memory work.
Aug 3, 2004 4:57PM PDT

Thanks to ALL for the tips - opened her up - disconnected everything - started reconnecting
and found the culprit.

The factory installed mount on the fan was broken.
The heat sync adhesive had finally worn out and the
fan was not secured tight to the board.
It had to have been shipped to me this way as the
broken plastic mount pieces are nowhere to be found.
Had to get creative and use plastic bag ties to tighten connection until I can get a replacement part.

Go figure - I still get 2 beeps at 3 second interval
on boot up but no error msgs and no freezing.
Seems to work fine.

Hope that doesn't mean there is another problem lurking!

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Re: Time to see if the basic mobo,CPU & memory work.
Aug 4, 2004 12:25AM PDT

Glad you found the culpit. I suggest you look for multiple mount HSF. These have a rather large clip, instead of 1-ear on each side being used, it uses all ears on each side to mount with thier clip, thus broken ears won't matter. Further, if doing this or any other HSF setup to buy, remove the old compound and use new compound instead. Compound is heatsink glop rather than thermal pad used with orginal cpu install. Also, if your mtrbd. has 4-holes at cpu mount through it, that suggests a "screw-down type" HSF can be used. Google for new HSF setups, there are so many out there it isn't funny, try here for a quick peek:
http://www.pccasegear.com or any other websites

good luck -----Willy Happy

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Great troubleshooting. Glad that you found such
Aug 4, 2004 2:47AM PDT

a complex problem.

Your only reason to be seen in the Newbies forum, now, is to help others. LOL