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Pat Tillman died not so much the hero?

by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 1:55 AM PDT

I know that most are probably off on the Memorial Day holiday, but am wondering if anyone has an thoughts on the recent news reports that Pat Tillman died from FRIENDLY FIRE?

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Re: Pat Tillman died not so much the hero?
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / May 29, 2004 1:59 AM PDT

Hi, BoB.

I don't think this affect his heroism at all -- the percdentage of American casualties due to friendly fire continues to rise (see friendly fire notebook). The point remains that he could have been playing football for millions, and he died in a firefight with the enemy. Who fired the shot is irrelevant to discussion of his heroism.

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Re: Pat Tillman died not so much the hero?
by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 2:10 AM PDT

Is it SOP for our guys to be firing at "enemies" not KNOWN to be BE there, as seems to be indicated in this article?

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Question ?, or Criticism ! nt
by Del McMullen / May 29, 2004 4:48 AM PDT

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Re:Question ?, or Criticism ! nt
by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 4:58 AM PDT

Seems rather unwise to be shooting in the general direction of an explosion when some of your own troops may have set off a land mine and others may be uninjured till friendly fire bullets take you out.

No?

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Let's see now, this was not a teen chat room.........
by Del McMullen / May 29, 2004 6:47 AM PDT

....it was a brushy hillside in poor light, you had taken
fire already, lives saved or taken in fractions of seconds,
stress levels maxed out, everyone's fingers on triggers,
safety's off, moving in general direction of an unknown
number of enemy, an auto-reflex kicks in, return supressive
fire in direction of threat.

Combat is a known dangerous activity, not a democratic or
acedemic exercise open to discussion and vote, and people
get hurt and killed. Most friendly fire is air-to-ground, or artillery,
but the real opportunity for friendly fire between people
on the ground is very real, particularly on rough and
brush covered terrain with poor/limited visibility. No
time outs to clarify friend or foe.

Obviously you've never experienced such a situation, and
I, for one, sincerely hope you never do.

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As do I and thank you for the high compliment. (NT)
by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 7:05 AM PDT

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Re: Pat Tillman died not so much the hero?
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / May 29, 2004 9:02 AM PDT

Hi, BoB.

>>Is it SOP for our guys to be firing at "enemies" not KNOWN to be BE there, as seems to be indicated in this article?<
Not just our guys, everyone -- haven't you ever heard of the "fog of war?" When bullets come towards you, you tend to send some back where they're coming from.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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Link for those who have not heard...
by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 2:03 AM PDT
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Wrong Answer! He's still the same hero.
by C1ay / May 29, 2004 2:05 AM PDT

It was the act of giving up his career to fight terrorism that made him a hero, not the fact that he died doing it....

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Wrong response
by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 2:35 AM PDT

Mine was not an answer. Where do you not see the QUESTION mark?

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by David Evans / May 29, 2004 2:48 AM PDT
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by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 2:53 AM PDT
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Another link, perhaps first to report...
by Beast o Burden / May 29, 2004 2:51 AM PDT
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It's doubly sad, but AP makes my blood boil!
by Kiddpeat / May 29, 2004 7:55 AM PDT
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Let's end this thread here!
by Angeline Booher / May 29, 2004 10:41 AM PDT

You are not the only one who follows the news.

But you appear to be the only one who has no insight into the realities of war, of which friendly fire is a regrettable part.

EVERY person who is in a war zone is in harm's way. Whether shot by the enemy, by friendly fire, killed when a vehicle overturns, dies while disarming a bomb, killed by his own misfiring rifle, victim of civilians per suicide/murder or car bombs, etc., they died in a war!

To sit at one's keyboard and walk upon a soldier's grave by denying his bravery for VOLUNTEERING to serve is repugnant to me.

Watch a movie like "Saving Private Ryan", then tell me you cannot understand how a soldier can be accidentally shot by one of his own.

This is Memorial Day weekend, a time when we remember our war and personal dead. That includes Tillman and the hundreds of others who have died in Iraq, and the thousands upon thousands who lost their lives in other wars- al brave men and women.

Please don't sully it further.

Angeline
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

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