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Partitioning for dummys

by Piura / July 3, 2004 2:02 AM PDT

I have win98, I installed a 2nd, 40g HD, I would like to make it a 20g,10g 10g (more or less) by partitioning, I have read about FDISK and it is over my head, is there a program for dummys that I can usd to help me partition?

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / July 3, 2004 3:58 AM PDT
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Re: Partitioning for dummys...for 2nd Harddrive
by TONI H / July 3, 2004 11:32 PM PDT

FDISK AND FORMAT SLAVE HARDDRIVE

You should have two IDE controllers on the motherboard. I would suggest that you put the two harddrives together on one cable daisy-chained together on the Primary IDE controller and the cdrom on the secondary IDE controller.

Make the first harddrive the master(the one you are using now) or the master with a slave (look at the jumper settings on the back of the drive to do this), and then make the new harddrive the Slave (same jumper location).

Then, boot up to go into the bios, then go to the Auto HDD detection area and run the program saying yes to all the drives detected as long as the sizes are recognized correctly. When it is finished, go to Save and Exit and boot up with your boot disk that goes with your operating system.

Use the boot disk for the operating system you want to put on the harddrive (if you need one that gives you cdrom support go to http://www.bootdisk.com or http://www.bootdisk.de and download one now and make sure you get the right version for the windows that you will be putting on the harddrive and then extract that file to a temporary folder on your harddrive somewhere, read the readme file to know how to create the disk, then put a floppy disk into the drive and follow the instructions from the readme file to get your disk made. If you downloaded the bootdisk and it's an .exe file, you can just click it and it will start to create the bootdisk for you automatically. Also, when you use the bootdisk you downloaded, it will default to being the R: drive for the cdrom, but this is only temporary until you reach the windows desktop.

when you get to the A: prompt, type <B>FDISK</B> and then choose <B>CHANGE DRIVES</B> so that it gets to the number 2 drive (the new one). Then choose <B>CREATE EXTENDED PARTITION</B> and use the <B>WHOLE</B> drive amount for that partition. ESC key and it will ask if you want to create <B>LOGICAL DRIVES</B> within that Extended partition, say yes. Now, depending on how large the new drive is, you can create one complete drive with the whole space or you can create smaller partitions at this point....I would go with partitions if the drive is very large because smaller drives will scandisk and defrag faster and you have control over where you keep games, other programs, data, etc. installed).

If you decide to partition, make each one about 8GB in size depending on the size of your new drive. As you create the Logical Drives keep track of the drive letters that get assigned because you will need to format them later and this way you will know which drive letters to format.

When you are finished with creating the logical drives, ESC back to the A: prompt and reboot again with the boot disk. When you are at the A: prompt again, type <B>FORMAT (DRIVELETTER):</B> and format each of the new drives you created by typing in the drive letter for each format you type in. If the new drive letters are D: E: and F: then you would type in FORMAT D: and when it is finished then you would type in FORMAT E: etc. until all new drives are formatted.

When you are finished, take the floppy disk out of the drive and boot up to the desktop.

Print this so you have it handy while you are doing it rather than try to remember it all. The steps outlined will only take about ten minutes to do (except for formatting the drives) but take your time and you will do it right.

TONI

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Re: Partitioning for dummys...for 2nd Harddrive
by Piura / July 4, 2004 11:08 PM PDT

thanks to Bob & Toni your info sure helped me get the job done.

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(NT) (NT) Glad we could help...anytime.
by TONI H / July 5, 2004 3:29 AM PDT
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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by Mendieta / July 8, 2004 7:01 PM PDT

Don't be affraid using Fdisk, it must be run at Ms-dos command line (prompt) as most partitioning utilities, but it's very easy to use, think of it as a windows program but without icons & graphic images, just be carefull to partition the correct disk the second drive in your case, use F5 function key to select drive. if you want to try another partitioning utility, download Raima Partition Manager from:

http://www.users.intercom.com/

It's a Shareware.

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by MGHR / July 8, 2004 9:28 PM PDT

hi went to the url put Raima partition manager in search, doesn't exist pleaee advise

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by vic.law / July 11, 2004 7:10 AM PDT

Have you thought of trying "Partition magic"?
It is very intuitive and does a batch of things beside partitioning. Ie converting to or from "ntfs"and formatting

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by MGHR / July 8, 2004 9:23 PM PDT

I too have windows 98-2nd edition and a 40gb harddrive and would also like to know how to partition even 20/20 maybe some one will be kind enough to explain in simpler terms

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by kosimov / July 9, 2004 12:58 AM PDT

There is a program called "Partition Magic" which does about anything imaginable with partitions; it will even let you create or change partitions on an already partitioned hard drive without losing what is on it. I don't recall who makes it, but, I am sure you can find it if you search for "Partition Magic". It is not free; it is a commercial program, but it is not too expensive. Sooner or later it will pay for itself many times over.

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by shortimer / July 9, 2004 1:53 AM PDT

An excellent utility called BootIt NG is available with a free evaluation period from:

www.terabyteunlimited.com

Easy to use even for a "dummy" (like me).
Hope this helps.

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Re: Partitioning for dummys...New Partitioning
by TONI H / July 9, 2004 9:28 AM PDT

Have your older version windows installation disks handy if your Windows is an upgrade because you will need proof during the installation that you are eligible for the upgrade and have your product key code (ID) # handy so you can enter that information also during the installation. If you still have your old harddrive installed at this point, and need the ID number, go to RUN type REGEDIT and click the plus mark in front of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE then SOFTWARE then MICROSOFT then WINDOWS and now click Current Version...scroll until you find the Product ID number (you will need this for W95) and the Product Code Key (you will need this number for ALL later versions of windows). Use a magic marker and write the number you need either on the cd itself or on the boot disk so that it will always be available.

Again, if your old harddrive is still available, save to disk (floppy, zip drive, or cd if you have a cdrw) all files that you want to be able to restore later on. The CONTENTS of your Favorites folder (not the folder itself), email messages, address book (only the .wab and .wa~ files), data you have personally created, zip downloads so you don't have to hunt for them again, mp3 files you may have downloaded, etc. Go through your C: drive folder by folder in Explorer to make sure you don't forget anything. Any programs you have installation disks don't worry about because you will have to reinstall them again anyhow. Make sure you have the correct info in Dial Up Networking for your ISP icon written down somewhere so you can get back on the net, too.

Now... The instructions below include the FDISK instructions to do that before you can format the drive or drives....if you only have your C: drive and you want to keep it that way, you'll be fine. Formatting the drive and how long it takes to do it will depend on the size of your harddrive itself. Installation of Windows will take about 30-40 minutes.

Have your hardware installation disks handy for anything that windows doesn't have drivers for and can't install for you...so go into Device Manager and click the plus mark in front of your hardware to get the manufacturer and model numbers of what you have. Then go to
http://drivers.on-line.net.nz/listing or http://driver.softlookup.com or http://www.winguides.com/drivers or http://www.amaxit.com/driverupdate.htm or http://www.pcdrivers.com/index.htm or http://www.drivershq.com/main.html and log in using 'drivers' as the username and 'all' as the password...look alphabetically for your manufacturers or your part/model numbers and then download the newest drivers for your hardware ahead of time. Burn these to cd or save to other media or harddrives also.

The first thing you have to do is to change the jumper for the harddrive to Master with Slave if your cdrom or another harddrive is attached to the same cable....otherwise jumper it for Master or Single (WD drives are prejumpered to be a Master already...meaning NO jumpers are required so they have them offset on the pins; they only give you the jumpers in case you need them). Once all connectors and cables are securely attached (the large gray cable has to have the red/black line down the side attach to the number 1 pin on both the motherboard and on the back of the harddrive and the newer 80-wire cables are color coded and must be connected properly....the blue end goes on the motherboard, the black end goes to the Master device, and the grey middle connector goes to the Slave device if there is one). Then boot up the computer and press whatever key you need to in order to get into your Bios SETUP (usually the DEL key). Once there, use the keyboard arrow keys to get to the auto hdd detection program and press Enter and it will run automatically....press Y for yes if the size of the drive is seen correctly and then press Y for all other drive information for the other IDE controllers even though they will say zeros (you may not get that particular window for choices on newer bioses so if the harddrive and cdrom are showing on those motherboard bioses, you're fine). Once that is finished, use the ESC key to leave there and then go to Save and Exit. Have your boot disk in the drive because when you press Y to Save, the computer will reboot by itself. If your bios can't see the whole harddrive, you will have to use the ezdrive/ezbios program that comes with the DataLifeguard download to install the bootmanager program and it will walk you through all of the following steps to setup the drive and install windows on it....but only use this disk if your bios can't see the whole drive.

Use the boot disk for the operating system you want to put on the harddrive (if you need one that gives you cdrom support go to http://www.bootdisk.com or http://www.bootdisk.de and download one now and make sure you get the right version for the windows that you will be putting on the harddrive and then extract that file to a temporary folder on your harddrive somewhere, read the readme file to know how to create the disk, then put a floppy disk into the drive and follow the instructions from the readme file to get your disk made. If you downloaded the bootdisk and it's an .exe file, you can just click it and it will start to create the bootdisk for you automatically. Also, when you use the bootdisk you downloaded, it will default to being the R: drive for the cdrom, but this is only temporary until you reach the windows desktop. To check for your version windows, go to Control Panel\System and under your Registered Owner name, you will see some numbers. If the number is 4-00-950 with no letter or the letter "A" after it, you have W95A. If the number is 4-00-950 with a letter "B" or "C" after it, you have version W95B or W95C and will get the W95B bootdisk. If you have Win98 or WinME or Win2K or WinXP, this is an obvious choice for you from the site.


FDISK & FORMAT

Once you have booted to the A:, then type FDISK and enable large disk support, and you will get a menu.

First choose to Delete Partitions. If you have existing partitions and want to have just one partition or if you want to change the sizes of those partitions, choose first to Delete the Logical Drives within the Extended partition. Then Delete the Extended Partition. Then Delete the Primary Dos Partition. DO NOT REBOOT...just go back to the Main Menu of Fdisk and do the following now. (If the steps in this paragraph don't work for you, it's usually because the drive is brand new from the factory and no partitioning has been done to it yet, so don't worry about this and go to the next steps instead.)

Create a Primary Dos Partition (if you only want one partition then use the entire drive when asked...if you want more partitions, then type in a certain amount...figure on at least 4000MB for windows and the internet and then make the partition Active by either saying yes when asked or press the ESC key to the main menu and choose #2 to make the partition active. (Less room is needed for this partition in reality; however, I usually use this amount as a safeguard for any programs that still will not install to anywhere except the C: drive and also for the extra files that programs will throw into the C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System folder by default without your knowing about it even if the actual install folder is located on another partition.)

Now, if you want partitions, choose #1 again to create Logical Drives, and then choose #3 to create an Extended Partition and when asked use the balance of the drive to do this. Press the ESC key and you will be asked about creating Logical Drives within that Extended Partition...say yes and create the Logical Drives using parts of the balance of the drive for each partition you want to create. Make note of the drive letters being assigned.

Use the ESC key to get out of Fdisk and back to the A: prompt and reboot with the same floppy disk to make the changes take effect...and this time Enable CDROM support when asked.

If you have a restore/recovery disk and Master cd from your vendor for your type of computer and if you haven't changed any of the hardware since you bought it new, you should use those disks to do what you want at this point. However, if you have separate installation disks for Windows and your hardware and no master restore/recovery disks, then, again, at the A: prompt, now type FORMAT C: /S (NOTE: the /S switch doesn't work with WinME so leave it off) to get the boot drive ready to receive data. When you are finished with the C: drive, now type FORMAT D: then FORMAT E: etc. for the logical drives you created.

Now if you have enabled the cdrom support, you can change to the cdrom drive (the W98 boot disk will make the drive letter two letters higher than your last partition drive letter but the downloaded bootdisk will be R:), and put your Windows installation cd into the drive and type SETUP....the installation will begin.

Graphical description available here:
http://www.newlogic.co.uk/kbase/fdisk/page1.htm

TONI

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Don't forget about dos based partition order
by glockgemini / July 9, 2004 1:36 PM PDT

Since Win98 is still based on DOS, it will determine the drive lettering for your partitions for you. The order will be:
C=Drive1: primary
D=Drive2: primary
E to ? =Drive1: Extended (all parts in order)
?F to ? =Drive2: Extended (all parts in order)

The important thing to remember is that your primary partition on the second drive will be D: regardless of what you want it to be.

2000 and XP will allow you to assign drive letters to drives D: and later. But, in my experience, XP will not install if there is more than one logical drive or if it sees any existing partitions on that drive.

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by royc / July 9, 2004 3:04 PM PDT

Yes, there is. It's called, of all things 'FDISK'. Wink

It is really very simple to use, BUT VERY EASY TO MESS UP YOUR SYSTEM, TOO.

I will try to walk you through it.

1. Do you have a Win98 startup disk, a floppy? If you do you are done with this step, go to step 2. If you don't, click on the 'Start' button, point to Settings, click Control Panel, double-click Add/Remove Programs, and then click the Startup Disk tab, and follow the instructions.

2. Put the Startup disk in the floppy drive,
click on the 'Start' button, point to click on 'Shut Down, double-click on restart. This will boot the system in DOS mode. It will say starting Windows 98 but we know better unless the desktop shows up, if it does you need to do some work in the BIOS, that's another post.

3. O.K. You are in DOS. Run FDISK. Note: To go to the previous menu press the ESC key.

4. The last (#5 IIRC) is Change drive. Change it to your new 40G drive.

5. Is this a new drive? If it is you are done with this step, go to step 6. If it isn't, list the drive info. If you have an extended partition, delete the logical drives in it.

Then delete the extended partition.

Now delete the primary partition.

.

6. Create a primary partition, It will ask if you want to use the whole disk for it. Answer 'No'. Then enter 20 for 20 Mega Bytes.

7. Create a extended partition, It will ask if you want to use the rest of the disk for it. Answer 'Y'.

8. Create a logical partitions in the extended partition, It will ask if you want to use the whole disk for it. Answer 'N'. enter 50% for 50 percent.
It will ask if you want to create another drive. Answer 'Y'.
It will ask if you want to use the rest of the disk for it. Answer 'Y'.

9. Escape from FDISK. Then at the A:> prompt Reset the system.

You are done with FDISK. But there is still DANGER ahead.

You must FORMAT each of the 3 new drives.

Did you notice FDISK said something about 'drive letters have been changed'?

Well it wasn't just talking about a couple more drive letters added to the end of you drive list.

The new drive's primary partition is your new drive 'D:', and your old drive 'D:' is now drive 'E:', and any other drives are bumped up a letter.

So now we will format the new drives.

10. Type 'DIR D:', This should result in an error message, If it does not do it again 'DIR D; /S /P' make sure this is really NOT your disk! You can type 'Ctrl C' to stop the listing any time.

If you got the error message press 'A' for abort and go to step 11.

If it really is NOT your disk go to step 11.

If it really is your disk STOP. Turn off the system. Remove the IDE cable from the new drive. Turn on the system. and check to make sure everything is O.K. It really should be. You haven't done anything to your old drive. Post back here if somehow you got to this point.

11. If everything is O.K. above type 'FORMAT D:' then answer 'Y'

12. After you have formatted the drive you need to go to the next drive. Did you have only 1 partition? If so the next drive will be 'E:'.
If not what was the last drive letter you had before adding the new drive? Add 2 to this letter and that will be your next drive, ie your last drive was 'F:' your new drive will be 'H:'.

Change x: to the next drive letter.

13. Type 'DIR x:', This should result in an error message, If it does go to step 15.

14. Type 'FORMAT x:' then answer 'Y' .After you have formatted the drive you need to go to the next drive.

15. Add 1 to the letter you just formatted and go to step 13

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Re: Partitioning for dummys
by sm6oer / July 10, 2004 6:42 AM PDT

Dear "Piura"! (Afraid?)

I strongly suggest that You read these articles thoroughly
B E F O R E
YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR SYSTEM
I.E try to repartition Your harddisk/harddrive!

MICROSOFT KNOWLEDGE BASE
------------------------
(KB=stands for Knowledgebase)

KB 245213 - Fdisk.exe Limits Non-MS-DOS Partition End to 8 GB

KB 263044 - Fdisk Does Not Recognize Full Size of Hard Disks Larger than 64 GB

KB 69013 - FDISK /MBR Rewrites the Master Boot Record
(This is a very dangerous command, could render You system unbootable/unuseable!) A total Reinstallation could be the result of 'manhandling' with such commands!

Let me say this:
----------------
First there is a "chinch" with 'FDISK' in Windows 98,
either version, which is
Windows98FE(=First Edition) or
Windows98SE(=Second Edition)
the 'FDISK.EXE on this versions would/might NOT
recognize harddisks/hadrdrives larger, bigger
or beyond the 32 GB limit!

Why?
Because this FDISK runs/calculates "internally" with some 16 Bit values - i.e the number of clusters!

Then ANY other alternative?
---------------------------
Not as I can see it! Since You are not really aquainted with the technique of partitioning at all!

But of course, there is - as I see it o n e reliable
and useable alternative for You:
That is "Partition Magic" (which now is owned and
sold/distributed by Symantec Corp)
http://www.symantec.com

BACKUP BEFORE!
=============
BUT BEWARE AND MAKE BACKUPS BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO
HASSLE WITH YOU HARDDISKS/HARDDRIVES!

DON'T USE PARTITIONING
======================
N E V E R - E V E R USE PARTITIONING ON
IOMEGA ZIP OR JAZ DRIVES!

What to do then/next?
---------------------
You have to update this Your Win98 FDISK at http://www.microsoft.com searchword 'FDISK' like

((http://search.microsoft.com/search/results.aspx?view=en-us&st=b&na=82&qu=+FDISK))

You might cause Your self a h..k of a lot of problems if You try do anything like repartition Your harddrives! And I might add that You could corrupt
- make the first harddisk unuseable and unbootebale!

Therefore I would most recommend tha You do like this:

Get hold of a NEW harddrive NOT bigger that 40 GB!
(They are reasonably cheap))
Make it installed as PRIMARY - MASTER (i.e first EIDE
line and coded on harddisk as primary w i t h Slave
present!

WINDOWS 98 either version
-------------------------
Windows98FE(=First Edition) or Windows98SE(=Second Edition)
1. For the sake of loss, clustersizes and for recovery reaseons, don't use bigger partions
than 8.000 MB (i.e 8GB) - at most 16.383 MB (16GB)
2. they don't need bigger harddisks than 40 GB!
(You don't loose to much if "FDISK" don't sees
the last 8 GB)
3 look at it like this
Parti Size Func-
tion (GB) tion My Comment
C:\ 8/16 Boot Boots Win98 either type
(System)
D:\ 8 Program(s) If You have a lot of programs
to run i C:\Program
(C:\Program Files)
E:\ 8 Email The email can't easily infect
Your system if its separated
from boot and system partition
F:\ 4/8 Store Documents and Invoices Q:\ YOUR OWN
CHOICE

C:\ should ALWAYS bee PRIMARY PARTITION and made "Active" as bootable!

I hope tha this enlightened You in any/some ways!

Yours

Gunnar, sm6oer

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