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Outlook express doesn't work with windows 7 -

Aug 29, 2009 2:49AM PDT

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Getting The XP Application Shortcut Onto The Win7 Taskbar
Oct 3, 2010 8:56AM PDT

Sounds like you basically got it working. Now you are to the tricky part Wink

See if this helps. Go to this webpage: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/default.aspx

Scroll down the page. As you get near the bottom, you will see 4 videos on the left side. Watch the 3rd one down, titled - "How to Install an Application on Windows XP Mode." It only runs a few minutes and near the end it talks about either pinning the shortcut to the Win7 Taskbar or adding it to the Win7 Start Menu. But I also found that you can just drag it onto the Win7 Desktop.

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Getting OE shortcut into Win7 Programs list.
Jan 3, 2011 11:21AM PST

Hello nikki605- Thanks much for your post 29 "An Alternate Way...", very helpful, I got XP Mode and OE up and running and sighed with relief to see my address book and email store slide easily into place. However:
I find no way yet to access OE directly from Win7. Watched the video you mentioned but the nice lady's machine's Programs list shows "Windows XP Mode Applications" and mine does not, only a Windows Virtual PC folder containing shortcuts to Windows Virtual PC and Windows XP Mode. Any ideas? Anyone? I see that artfd got it to work okay. So close and yet so far, I need to get some work done. zzqqrrr

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Adding The OE Shortcut To The Win 7 Taskbar
Jan 4, 2011 3:33AM PST

An OE shortcut can be added to the Win 7 taskbar. It's been awhile since I did this, so it's a memory test for me. We'll see how good I do :-|

I'm guessing that you are not seeing the "Windows XP Mode Applications" folder because you haven't actually installed any third party applications of your own (as I did when I installed WLM), but rather, just trying to use an MS application (OE) which already exists, just not accessible directly from Win7.

If I remember correctly, the default location for the OE shortcut in WinXP is in All Programs-->Accessories, but it is under your specific username, not under All Users. The shortcut must be under All Users before you can pin it to the Win7 Taskbar. As I remember, that was the key to getting it to work - All Users.

This is what I think I did:

1. Start the WinXP Virtual PC.
2. Right-click on the WinXP Start button and select Explore All Users (opens Windows Explorer).
3. Find the current shortcut for OE - it will probably be under C:\Documents and Settings\username\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories
4. Move it (click & drag) to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs as shown in this screenshot:

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5. Close Windows Explorer.
6. Click on the WinXP Start button and OE should now show up directly under All Programs as shown in this screenshot and should start OE normally.

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7. Log Off winXP (important!) and close the Virtual PC window - wait for the Virtual Machine to hibernate (important!).
8. Click on the Win7 Start button and navigate to All Programs-->Windows Virtual PC-->Windows XP Mode Applications. If the previous steps were done correctly, you should now see the applications folder with OE probably as the only program listed.
9. Right-click on the OE shortcut and select Pin to Taskbar as shown in this screenshot:

Note: if these next 2 screenshots look funny, it's because I have my Win7 Taskbar pinned to the right side of the screen, not the bottom like normal people Wink

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10. The OE icon should now be displayed on the Win7 taskbar as shown in this last screenshot:

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Let me know if this worked for you.

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Success! Shortcut added and works.
Jan 4, 2011 10:13AM PST

Thanks much nikki605. Given your post of 24 Sep 2010 on installation of Virtual Machine + XP +OE and your 4 Jan 2011 post (above) on getting the OE shortcut in place and working anyone who wants to get OE running on Win7 should be able to get the job done. You were correct, the key seemed to be adding an OE shortcut to "...All Users\Start Menu\Programs" in XP. I actually already had a shortcut directly in the XP All Programs list but, as I said, nothing showed up in the Win7 list. Once I added the shortcut in the XP...\All Users\... location "Windows XP Mode Applications" showed up under "Windows XP Mode" with OE listed in the Win7 Programs list, hurrah! I just copied the shortcut to the Win7 desktop, clicked it, and there it is, Outlook Express running in "Seamless Mode". Works fine apparently, time will tell if there are drawbacks to this technical runaround but so far it seems slick. The losses for me that I know of are: 1. Cannot drag & drop attachments into or out of emails (the literature assures us of that up front), and 2. Directly opening any attachment in an email, coming or going, requires the necessary program be installed also in XP. That cramps my style in the work I do but I'll get used to it. Again, thanks & cheers- zzqqrrr

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There Are Some Drawbacks
Jan 4, 2011 10:17PM PST

Great, glad you got it to work. Guess I passed the memory test.

[quote]1. Cannot drag & drop attachments into or out of emails (the literature assures us of that up front), and 2. Directly opening any attachment in an email, coming or going, requires the necessary program be installed also in XP.[/quote]

Yeah, even using WLM, I have to remember that anything I do within email is really running from WinXP not Win7. Opening pdf files means having to have Adobe Reader (or equivilent) installed in WinXP Mode. Clicking on a link in an email will open the default browser in WinXP, not Win7. I could go on and on.

It takes some getting used to. That's why I bit the bullet and switched to WLM. Little did I know at the time I made that decision that WLM running under WinXP would not be compatible with WLM running under Win7 because of the differences in the Microsoft ESE versions.

Oh well, Happy New Year! Enjoy your new OE on Win7!

Gary

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I quit, WLM seems fine.
Feb 1, 2011 3:57AM PST

While there was a certain sense of accomplishment in getting OE up and working, emails & address book imported, shortcut on W7 desktop, etc., in the end, among other bothers, the clincher was the inability to drag & drop files in and out of emails (from and to W7) which is essential to my work. Having changed over (easily) to WLM I find it just fine, better in some ways. No doubt some drawbacks for some users but I haven't noticed any for myself. Some things were bothersome like not having a print icon one click away but Ctrl+P works fine so I'm happy. Microsoft could have saved much anxiety by handling the changeover options and information more elegantly. I also tried to use Outlook (not OE) as well but there is too much stuff I don't use constantly in my face, Microsoft's idea of how to get me organized. WLM much better for the email functions which is what, and all, I want. Thanks for your help. Anyone else frustrated regarding no OE in W7 I recommend use WLM.

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Gave up on both WLM & OE
Feb 6, 2011 8:42AM PST

After all the work I did, I have abandoned both programs in favor of Mozilla Thunderbird. OE has a limit of 2GB file size on each of its folders and crashes or messes up the folders when it approaches that size. I leave my emails online in addition to storing them locally so I can search at home or when I'm using another computer. So OE cannot handle my years of emails, or even download all of them without crashing. Windows Live Messenger worked for a few months, then suddenly it could no longer receive new emails from my Yahoo mail box, although it was able to still access my 2 Hotmail accounts. Perhaps WLM has a folder size limit also. I looked around the internet a bit, found no comments on this problem with Windows Live Messenger, and went ahead to try Mozilla Thunderbird. It was much easier to set up accounts with than either OE or WLM, and easily downloaded my huge inbox for my local reference.
Another benefit: I had backed up my entire OE .DBX files on local hard drives over the years, and as the HDDs became too small, I replaced them & shelved the old ones. I accidentally deleted some of my old inbox files & for a while thought I had lost several years worth of them. I knew I had several years' worth of OE files on these HDD's, but no easy way to transfer them out. My main reason for using OE was to be able to read these old Outlook Express email files.
Thunderbird has a menu option where you can direct it to a folder containing a set of OE .DBX files, and it will (1) create a new local folder and (2) import all the various sets of .DBX files, naming the new local subfolders into something Thunderbird can use. The first OE local folder is named "Outlook Express Import0" and the subfolders' names match that of the source .DBX files. No profiles are necessary, the various .DBX files simply have to be in the same folder on the HDD. Importing a different set of OE .DBX files from a different folder creates a new Thunderbird local folder called "Outlook Express Import1", etc.
The import is quick. Using this feature I quickly imported 3 different sets of OE folders from an old HDD, and now have some key emails I thought I had lost, stored and available for searching using Thunderbird.

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Running Outlook Express 6 in Windows 7
Oct 3, 2010 8:10PM PDT

I used the technique you described, and now have an Outlook Express shortcut on my Win7 desktop. I can click on it and launch OE as if it were installed in Win7 directly. So it works. The most time-consuming thing was to install WinXP Mode under Win7, it is almost the same amount of effort as installing WinXP from scratch. After downloading many items from Microsoft into Win7, you must install a WinXP antivirus program, and then all the WinXP updates. Once I figured out how to modify the "Windows XP Mode Applications" selection to include a shortcut to Outlook Express, I copied the Outlook Express shortcut to the Win7 Desktop and was good to go.

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OE6 On Win7 - Other Considerations
Oct 3, 2010 9:54PM PDT

Great! Glad you got it to work. For an antivirus program, I just downloaded and installed the free MS Security Essentials and turned on Windows Firewall.

A couple other things of note.

If you open an email in OE and click on a web link, it will open the default browser which is the IE that is inside WinXP Mode, not your Win7 default browser. So, you want to keep up with any WinXP (IE) crtical updates. I have not tried installing a different browser in WinXP Mode, so I can't help you there, but you should be able to do it.

Also, with WinXP Mode hibernated most of the time, I'm not sure (haven't taken the time to check) how/if WinXP checks for or installs critical MS updates. You may have to start WinXP Mode on occasion in order to check for and install any MS updates. The same thing for whatever antivirus/firewall you installed in WinXP Mode. They may not update automatically while WinXP is hibernated.

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The problem with Windows Live Mail is....
Aug 20, 2011 12:31AM PDT

That it doesn't support underscores in a domain name as OE with Win XP does. It complains about them in OE, but it does support them, live mail does not. I have a unique situation where I have a domain called hf_email.xxx. OE addresses the mail server in this configuration just fine. New hardware is coming with WIndows 7 loaded instead of XP, and Live Mail complains that hf_email.xxx is an invalid domain, and refuses to work properly. Another case of Microsoft trying to help people where they end up hurting their users and their product.

As for having all of your mail in the "cloud", for those of you who want everyone to have access to your information, go ahead and embrace the cloud concept. It's a violation of peoples privacy rights because you have NO IDEA what the jackasses at Google, MS, etc will do with your information...or should I say it's now THEIR information since it's on THEIR servers in THEIR cloud.....instead of being on your computer....

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simply use zinstall
Dec 8, 2010 6:19PM PST
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Conversion of Express email files to new PC (Windows 7) emai
Jan 15, 2011 10:41PM PST

Experience with CONVERSION of OUTLOOKE EXPRESS emails (from XP) to WINDOWS 7 (new PC) WINDOWS LIVE mail.

Much as I would like to I will not rant about the idiocy of Microsoft, who decided to eliminate the option for Outlook Express in Windows 7, nor made it anything but difficult to do a conversion. But, it can be done!!!! Hopefully this will help others though I am sure I do not cover all the issues out there. I just went through this conversion this weekend so wanted to post experience thoughts in hopes it may help.

Background - I had regularly backed up my data on Clickfree (completely easy and mindless - highly recommend). I did a final backup the night before I converted over to my new PC. Current one was 5 years old and SLOW.

The entire 'restore' to new PC went wonderfully, including iTunes, from Clickfree hardrive. This includes the files from Outlook (with one glaring exception!!!). However, when it came time to importfiles into LIVE Email the following would occur.

Go to File>Import>Message? Browse to find folder where the backup has been stored. Then click NEXT. Here is what happened:

ERROR MESSAGE
No messages can be found in this folder or another application is running that required files open. please select another folder or try closing application that may have files open

(NOTE: Exported files from Outlook express are saved as *.DBX files)
First issue I figured out? (although, read second issue as well, because that is critical too):

You MUST browse/define ALL THE WAY DOWN to the >outlook express folder. Initially, I was just defining to about C:\Documents and Settings\[username] rather than all the way to where you can view email file folders. It is very similar to below filepath, with the identifier number being unique to you. I finally figured this out after I copied my data from clickfree to a folder I defined, then went to mycomputer to find the file. Just keep clicking all the way down. Once you determine you can actually see your Outlook Express folders (and, these are just the highlevel folder names you have stored the individual emails in, which are there, but you can't see) then you have to go back to the Windows Live ..to File>Import>Message? and get to there. You will see the file folder names. Select the files you want to import. I recommend just doing a handful at a time. See, 'ONCE COPIED' below.

C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{12345678-1234-ABCD-EFGH-1234567890AB}\Microsoft\Outlook Express

SECOND ISSUE - VERY IMPORTANT. There MUST be a FOLDER.DBX file in your outlook express directory mentioned above. This is a file that defines the directory/file structure from your old email. I have no idea why, but this one critical file did not get backed up/copied over/recognized or whatever from my Clickfree. Once I figured this out from reading other help blogs, I went back to old PC and found it, manually copied it over to a flashdrive, then copied over to outlook express folder on new PC. After that, the import worked, the detailed path was recognized and I could select folders to import. My guess is, THIS ISSUE is the #1 problem with improting, from what I have read, causing the error message above (though not defining down to detailed path is an issue as well).

So, if you have gotten this far you are in good shape and it is a matter of patience and finesse to get what you want.

ONCE COPIED/IMPORTED:
Here is where it was fun. Issues:
1) You MUST define the detailed path, clicking through several times, EVERY TIME you do an import. Because you will run into error messages from individual files, you don't want to attempt to do everything at once (IMHO). You will get to know this path really well.
2) When you have imported, you will see Imported File (1), click on that you will see INBOX, click on that you will likely see the name of a file you recognize. Unfortunately you get the Imported>Inbox everytime. This meant I had to rename the IMPORTED to what I wanted it to be from old one (id'd in imported subfolder) and then copy the emails from that highlevel folder to IMPORTED (1) you rename:
3) EXAMPLE:
IMPORTED (1) INBOX SPORTS (from import) SOCCER (subfolder) TENNIS (subfolder) etc.. I simply renamed IMPORTED (1) To SPORTS, copied all emails directly in SPORTS folder to new SPORTS, then moved SOCCER,TENNIS subfolders up to new SPORTS/IMPORTED folder( Drag them) and then verify that INBOX and old SPORTS folders are now empty and delete them. This just keeps things clean and able to view at all times.
4) This movement/reorganization etc.. was the other reason I did grouped imports, so I could keep track and organize what I was doing as I went along. People have their own organization systems so this is just an example of what worked for me.


NOTE: Several times I would get an error message saying something like "some messages in folder XYZ could not be imported." You have to confirm. Sometimes it would just proceed to next folder, sometimes it would terminate. So, pay attention to which files so you 'skip' them next time to continue progress importing, but can go back. Sometimes later it would work, sometimes I never was able to get old email files imported. Not that many had that issue, however and no clue as to what the actual problem was, but none were critical enough to me that I bothered with it.

Hope this is somewhat helpful and clear enough. It took a while to get there, but you can, NO THANK TO MICROSOFT!!!

GOOD LUCK.

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OUTLOOK IS NOT AVAILABLE IN "MS OFFICE STUDENT AND TEACHER"
Feb 6, 2011 3:39AM PST

Outlook does not work in MS Office Student and Teacher. It receives e-mail but will not allow you to compose and send e-mail. By doing a search on the internet I found an e-mail program that works on Windows 7, and allows you to keep your e-mail address from Windows Outlook/Mail. It is called "Incredimail 2.0". You can download the free version from the internet or there is a paid version. The free version seems to fulfill all of my needs and more. I have had it only a couple days, so cannot testify to my long term satisffaction with it. Since it is free, it is worth a try.

Denton.

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"Outlook does not work in MS Office Student and Teacher"
Feb 6, 2011 3:45AM PST

Sorry to disagree but after installing Outlook to this version I can write that Outlook does indeed run on a machine with this version of Office installed.

About Incredimail. That's a sad title with long discussions about troubles with it and the lack of support.

In short, Incredimail is great, when it works.
Bob