When a lady is raped, some idiot will say, "She shouldn't have been wearing that skirt."
pursuit of freedom and justice.
pursuit of freedom and justice.
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to attempt to persuade the Saudis that such practices are not acceptable to God. I'm sure most leaders in the western world abhor the actions you cite.
BTW, when you say 'Our partner', to whom are you referring? The Chinese, Japanese, French, British, Germans, ...? There are many nations who consume oil and consider themselves 'partners' of the Saudis.
The Saudi Arabian defence minister has said that bases on Saudi territory cannot be used for American-led strikes against Afghanistan's ruling Taleban.
"We do not accept the presence in our country of a single soldier at war with Muslims or Arabs," Saudi Defence Minister Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz said in comments published in a government-run newspaper on Sunday.
The official Okaz newspaper says Prince Sultan dismissed as "nonsense" reports that the Saudi authorities would allow Washington to use its bases to attack Afghanistan.
...and the Saudis again refused to allow American aircraft to launch sorties from Saudi airfields in 2003 in support of the invasion of Iraq - which seems rather two-faced, since they had no problems with our using those same airfields in 1991 to be "at war with Muslims or Arabs." Might the Saudi oil ticks have set their principles aside in 1991 since their wealth and power were directly threatened? Could the Saudis be that cynical? I think the answer is obvious.
The fact remains that after those snubs, and after the Saudi stonewalling on the 9/11 investigation and the earlier Khobar Towers bombing, the U.S. had (belatedly, IMO) had enough, and removed almost all American forces from Saudi soil.
I'm sure, however, that you will continue to not allow the facts to stand in the way of a good America bashing...
I see it as a stealth attempt to slip in a political post, but let's assume that it isn't. What was Dan's point, and how do we respond to that point? Attempting to persuade someone that their actions are wrong is one way. How do we persuade Moslems that their faith is in error? Missionaries are one way to do that.
Is there a better idea?
The system in this country doesn't recognize that as a crime, but theirs does. Therefore, IMO it's unrealistic and counterproductive to 'urge the king to "drop all charges against the woman"'.
Having said that ...
Why was her punishment increased? Is she a multiple offender? Our system could do the same thing. (But not in this case, if I correctly apply our double-jeopardy rule.)
Was her companion punished? If not, they have a sexist system. Oh, wait ... they have a sexist system, and the ones in charge think that's proper.
"Shiite woman". Was that a factor in Sunni S.A.? Not possible here, but S.A. claims to be a somewhat religious kingdom, which BTW is responsible for the holiest site in Islam. (Maybe two holiest.) So, if she's an 'apostate from true Islam' (as the Shiites say also of the Sunnis), then ...
"woman ... and an unrelated male companion were abducted and raped by seven men in 2006."
If he was raped, then the rapists were homosexual offenders as well. Believe that's a capital offense. (I note that their sentences were increased. I'm also aware that the male mentality in that part of the world tends see only the penetrated as homosexual, not the penetrators. Recent case in Turkey.)
From the article: "A series of erratic verdicts have focused attention on the Saudi legal system, which is dominated by clerics who adhere to the kingdom's austere Sunni form of Islamic law. Personal status law remains uncodified and the system does not recognize the concept of precedent."
Now that's bad. It's generally a characteristic of more primitive forms of government, but then the Q'uran is 600 years old, and their system does 'have God on its side'.
I'd guess the perps got it worse there then they would have in a lot of places....including the US where some states think that "bad boy" license plates are helpful. I'm not sure how proper it is to adopt our ways or be snubbed. There can't be any progress to truly rectify injustice by arm twisting or shutting down dialog with those with whom you have ethical problems. Gains made through coercion don't sit on solid ground.