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Therefore,

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The entire US mission is invalidated

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Re: invalidates the mission -- Did I say that, DM?

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But it does one wonder about the validity of claims our troops are sometimes a bit too "trigger-happy," doesn't it?

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well Dave let me ask you a question?

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when did you serve in a war zone? ill answer NEVER!
what training did you have ? ill answer None!

when your on a checkpoint and a car or some other mode of transportation speeds up to you you don't have time to look.in that time your dead.
was the drivers fault not the us

please stick to what you do best wait this is what you do best.

you would do better to ask a soldier what there orders are.then to run off and blame the us troop.

I'm surprised any people survived

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Italian secret police?

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Maybe they kept their exit with the newslady a bit to "secret". It would have been smart to make advanced notice to the coalition that you needed clearance.....hell.....our guys probably would have given them an escort if they'd just asked.....and just what was that newslady doing in Iraq to begin with? I mean surely she watched the news..*snicker*...There's a freaking war going on over there! She should just be grateful to be alive. Some others weren't as lucky.

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Scoff all you want, it's a PR nightmare for us

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and probably will cost us another ally:
U.S. Forces Wound Freed Hostage in Iraq.
>> Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, an ally of the United States who has kept Italian troops in Iraq despite public opposition at home, demanded an explanation "for such a serious incident, for which someone must take the responsibility." The shooting came as a blow to Berlusconi, who has kept 3,000 troops in Iraq despite strong opposition in Italy. The shooting was likely to set off new protests in Italy, where tens of thousands have regularly turned out on the streets to protest the Iraq war. Sgrena's newspaper was a loud opponent of the war.

"Another victim of an absurd war," Alfonso Pecoraro Scanio, leader of the Green Party, told Apcom.

"It's incredible that a man who was busying himself with the difficult task of saving a life was killed by those who say they are in Iraq to safeguard the life of civilians," said Piero Fassino, leader of the Democratic Party of the Left. <<

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dave open your eyes

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if he didnt disregard the warnings shots and stopped.

he is to blame, but then if he killed the americans you be here bitching so its a lose lose with you.

so glad your not in power you hand the country over to the enemy.

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I dont give much credence to members of the

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communist party, or for people who wrote papers for other students in school.

Nor do I think this is a PR nightmare. Italy just wants something from us, and they are using this incident as leverage.

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You guys just don't get it, do you. Its not what your

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intentions are that will convince the rest of the world. Countries have lied about their intentions for millenia. It's what you actually do that counts. If you shoot a wounded guy on the ground in front of cameras or reporters it makes your country look bad. If you shoot up a rescue mission it looks bad. If it looks bad you're just confirming whatever your critics have been saying all along whether they're justified or not.

Your whole post is fairy-dust Y4, its all speculation. You don't believe that was the case and you don't expect anyone else to, you're just throwing s*** because you can here.

And regarding gratitude, she's more likely to feel gratitude to the people who drove the car and to the people who let her go even though they were the ones who kidnapped her in the first place than to feel gratitude to the forces that shot up her car and nearly killed her. Call it a human quirk, but we don't usually feel grateful for being shot or being shot at even by our own side. Ask all the Canadians killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan. Oh, that's right, you can't.

Rob Boyter

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No. YOU don't get it

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How were the toops to know that was a rescue mission? The Italians did not notify the coalition. What are soldiers supposed to do when a car gives the outward appearance of a car bomb? Why does it make our country look bad; rather than Italy? Makes no sense.

You are very quick to criticize the USA(the whole point of your post as usual) when there's no reasonable basis, but you cheer Canada on when it violates human rights on its own soil. You have no credibility at all.

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and since you served how in a military outfit?

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oh wait you were to "sick" to "feeble" to serve i think your knowledge of service is so smart:D

if the driver slowed down, when they flashed there lights, fired warning shots they would have been OK.

he was an ******* to ignore that.

but please tell us how you did it when?

the silence is deafening.

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Thats right, some, like this reporter, would be grateful

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to her captors. I would want them dead.

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and i guess dave would

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try to step in front of moveing car:D
dont you love it when the uninformed never served tell the troops how to do it?

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WOW Mark, you can sure tell who's been in the...

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...armed forces and who hasn't. And this just reminds me back in time when Democrats were not called left wing and were REAL Americans and one very famous Democrat said, "Ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

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well you know how the non servers

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"flock" together they cant do it wont do it but know it all to tell the real soldiers.

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They didn't follow the directions of the patrol

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and its an unfortunate consequence of them not using their common sense.

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(NT) (NT) but in daves eyes thats our fault

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(NT) (NT) So why are you trying to be humorous?

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you must forgive him as he speaks of what he knows

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nothing about.

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Free, Wounded reporter rejects US soldiers' account

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claims she may have been targeted.
Italian Journalist Rejects U.S. Account.

>>The Italian journalist wounded by American troops in Iraq after her release by insurgents rejected the U.S. military's account of the shooting and declined Sunday to rule out the possibility she was deliberately targeted.... In an interview with Italian La 7 TV, Sgrena said, "There was no bright light, no signal." She also said the car was traveling at "regular speed."

Meanwhile, an autopsy performed on the agent who died trying to save Giuliana Sgrena reportedly showed he was struck in the temple by a single round and died instantly as the car carrying Sgrena sped to the Baghdad airport."

So much for "shrapnel from the engine block."

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Dave!

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First of all, it was never said that the security agent died as the result of shrapnel from the engine block. The "journalist" was wounded by the shrapnel. And shrapnel was removed from her shoulder.

And you have to realize that Sgrena was always extremely anti-American and her entire purpose over there was to discredit the American effort and get Italy to pull its troops out. Her account is highly suspect to say the least. Why on Earth would the soldiers arbitrarily fire on the car if it went down as she says? They had no idea who was in there; how could they? Her account makes no sense.


I have had my doubts all along that she was really kidnapped at all.

It's disturbing that you are so quick to credit the account of a highly anti-American propagandist.

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(NT) (NT) well when your were a SDS you still SDS

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That has as much to do with my current views, Mark,

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as the fact thnat I also once belonged to the Young Republicans and Young Americans for Freedom.

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(NT) (NT) and what happend you fall out of graces?

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(NT) (NT) Interesting thought, that hadnt occurred to me

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He is consistent, he did the same...

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during Vietnam.

Funny that IED's and booby trapped buildings and assination squads and slaughter and terrorization of the civilians is big news today for the media but it was pretty much ignored when the same exact things were going on in Vietnam.

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Now the Italian Foreign Minister disputes our version, Ed,

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based on interviews with the surviving agents.
Italy Foreign Minister Disputes U.S. Claim.

Reading between the lines, some nincompoop (or perhaps a lower level officer who actually was targeting her, though I doubt it) decided to set up an "impromptu road block" without telling the Italians about it. it also sounds like those manning the road block may have been trigger happy. And I note you still haven't aswered the question -- on a dangerous raod in the dark, how are those in the car supposed to know that the road block is manned by American troops, and not insurgents?

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(NT) (NT) Inform the Americans in advance?????

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Let's put that shoe on the other foot, DK.......

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How were our troops supposed to know this was not another attack with a car bomber? Don't you think those agents for the Italian government would have been wiser to let the Americans know they were on the way to the airport? and don't you think they SHOULD have known that the roads are guarded? Especially the roads to the airport? If there was any fault here it was on the other side! And you would rather believe a writer for a communist rag than our own soldiers?

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what else can he beleave

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to beleave anything else he would have to be wrong!!!

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