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Ooops, now we've done it! We hanged Parliament.

by MarkFlax Forum moderator / May 6, 2010 9:43 PM PDT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/default.stm

UK General Election results. Any party needs 326 seats to win an overall majority in the Parliament.

With just 25 or so results to be announced, (as at Midday today), and some of those safe Labour seats, it seems that the Conservative Party will not reach the required total of 326 seats that would enable it to claim outright victory and form the next Government.

It's a "Hung Parliament"!

I voted Communist! Devil

Mark
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The beginning of the end for the left in Europe...
by EdHannigan / May 6, 2010 9:46 PM PDT

Soon to happen here too.


Socialism is not sustainable.

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I didn't know America was socialist.
by Kees Bakker / May 6, 2010 9:50 PM PDT

Labour is in the UK. But the leading party in the USA Congress are Democrats, as far as I know, not Socialists.

Do you mean to say that Democracy is not sustainable?

Kees

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They CALL themselves Democrats
by EdHannigan / May 6, 2010 9:59 PM PDT

but many of their policies are socialistic. Especially nowadays.

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And you
by Kees Bakker / May 6, 2010 10:17 PM PDT

CALL them socialist. Who to believe?

It's just opinion and name-calling, isn't it?

Kees

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No...
by EdHannigan / May 6, 2010 10:22 PM PDT
In reply to: And you

Very easy to check. Look and understand.

These terms have actual meanings. Truth is not name calling.

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BTW, I did not call them scialist...
by EdHannigan / May 6, 2010 10:47 PM PDT
In reply to: And you

I said many of their policies are socialistic. There's a difference.

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monkey is as monkey does.
by James Denison / May 6, 2010 11:03 PM PDT

Socialist, hiding behind a name.

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Funny, all the Communists hide behind the word Socialist
by Ziks511 / May 7, 2010 9:01 AM PDT

or People's. Socialists don't identify their governments, because the governments are all democratically based, like those of Europe. Socialism isn't a dictatorship.

And I'd suggest that the extreme reaction in the US created by words like Cooperative, Socialist and other terms is an example of xenophobia, just as the ongoing suspicion of immigrants, legal and illegal, is. You think the Pilgrim Fathers and all their followers applied to the Native American Government for Visas Passports or Permits of Entry? It certainly did wonders for the Health of the Native Americans.

Rob

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names vs actions
by James Denison / May 6, 2010 11:02 PM PDT
In reply to: And you

Look at what they do and you see Socialism. Names mean nothing to them anymore, nor seemingly does much of anything else.

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You always know to whom you're talking when they use a
by Ziks511 / May 7, 2010 9:32 AM PDT

Double Adjective like "Socialistic" (sic). Socialist is an adjective, meaning related to or referring to Society or Social groups, or as a noun meaning in a manner of what is understood to represent generally understood Socialist government (the Social Safety Net, Pensions, Health Care, the opposition to poverty and excessive accumulation of wealth to the detriment of others). It doesn't need the "ic" to turn it into an adjective, but certain groups insist in using the term "Socialistic" (sic) partly, IMO, because it's an awkward, ugly word which repels. Rather like the word "Quisling" did decades ago, it conveniently demonizes without offering evidence. (Quisling was tossed out by his Nazi masters withing weeks of his "takeover" of the Norwegian government not least because he couldn't run a local post-office.)

I actually thought I'd heard the last of "Socialistic" (sic) after the demise (but not the death, unfortunately) of the John Birch Society at the hands of Wm F. Buckley in the early 1960's. Sadly Birchers are making a comeback, despite the death of Communism 20 years ago.

Perhaps it solves the problem of having a "permanent enemy" discussed in Orwell's 1984 as a source of social cohesion and paranoia. It serves as an artificial power base.

Rob

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(NT) Which policies are socialistic?
by Diana Forum moderator / May 7, 2010 11:08 AM PDT
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You are kidding, right?
by EdHannigan / May 7, 2010 11:22 AM PDT

Robin Hood programs like Social Security, Medicare, The "Healthcare" Bill, The takeover of the auto industry, etc. They are all policies that tend toward socialism (which is what "socialistic" means despite pedantic bloviation from dubious sources).

Anything that makes government a caregiver or puts government in control of enterprises that are properly the domain of private individuals and is paid for by taking money from citizens.

We have been tending that way gradually but steadily for decades and it is the Democrats who have been the prime movers of these policies. Now we see them accelerating in the Obama Administration, while Europe crumbles as a result of these misguided schemes.

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socialism? no, just a massive rescue operation 4 capitalism!
by jolysmoke / May 22, 2010 1:58 PM PDT

No, actually they tend towards capitalism, because without massive state intervention in the US, GB, Germany etc. to save the banks and certain key industries, capitalism would have collapsed world wide and that is what they, the politicians, have been desperately trying to prevent. After all, that is what their masters employ them for. Far from producing wealth, the capitalists have destroyed it on a gigantic scale by their sheer irresponsibility and negligence, and only the existence of the much despised centralized state machinery and the even more despised and maltreated taxpayer have been able (perhaps) to save it, and then probably not for long. The next crisis is probably just in the offing.

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Nonsense
by EdHannigan / May 22, 2010 11:00 PM PDT

State intervention caused theh problems for the most part and now you expect it to "rescue" capitalism? Good luck with that one.

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Not to be pedantic but is "bloviation" actually in an
by Ziks511 / May 22, 2010 3:13 PM PDT

authoritative dictionary? On the other hand, what a perfect "word" for Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck (who should also have the word "maudlin" or "sniveling" attached).

In the case of two car companies, buying a minority share in order to keep them afloat, which appears to be working, is rampant socialism?

What isn't rampant socialism to you? Would you prefer a return to 1870's laissez faire Capitalism and the conditions which prompted Republican President Teddy Roosevelt to intervene and regulate businesses?

Rob

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American Heritage Dictionary
by jolysmoke / May 22, 2010 3:49 PM PDT

blo

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So, killed a King (several actually), conspited in several
by Ziks511 / May 7, 2010 9:54 AM PDT

convenient usurpations, abolished the Monarchy, the Rump Parliament, the Twelve Years Tyranny of Oliver Cromwell, the Bloodless Revolution, several Reform Bills and the introduction of a Labour based party (once upon a time). And now you've Hanged Parliament (they tried to hang the Regicides too, but I think they could only come up with the elderly Admiral Vane, the rest having conveniently pre-deceased Cromwell or fled). What's next? You're still only the second oldest Parliament in the world, and short of the volcano engulfing Iceland, you're not likely to surpass that.

The Sun headline is pretty funny. "Squatter in Number 10."

Rob

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Yeah, I liked that.
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / May 7, 2010 6:41 PM PDT
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I've mentioned this before here, but not while you've been
by Ziks511 / May 22, 2010 2:54 PM PDT
In reply to: Yeah, I liked that.

here. When we lived in England the back page of the Sun had a sports headline that was so good I remember it to this day. The results of a football match between Caledonian and Celtic was noted as "Super Caly Go Ballistic, Celtic Are Atrocious." Now that's a headline.

Rob

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And if they manage to work well together, and get lots done
by Ziks511 / May 22, 2010 3:00 PM PDT

that pleases the electorate will we see a headline saying, "Well Hung Parliament"? Wink

Rob

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Do you suppose...
by J. Vega / May 23, 2010 3:30 AM PDT

Do you suppose that in a society of cannibals, the epicureans prefer that a Parliment be well-hung (grin)?

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