It ended up being a bad network cable. Thing was, when it was moved a certain way to reach my son's pc, the cable would stop working properly, if I hooked it to my HP I didn't have to stretch it out at all and it would connect. It was a slight bare point in two wires about a foot and a half down, a tooth mark. His ferret must have bit just right on it and the two "orange\orange white" wires would touch. I got a newer cable to try and that's how I figured it out as his pc connected great. One of those "gotcha" things I suppose. Wasn't noticable until I went over the wire with a fine tooth comb. Anyway, it's solved.

Paul