go with zen vision m. Buy a KROO brand case. They come with a rubber glove-like case, screen protector, armband, and kickstand for about 11 bucks at pcmicrostore.com
I'm looking for a new MP3 player and THOUGHT I had done a good bit of research. I had decided on the Gigabeat S, until I found that it is brutal to make playlist.
I want a player that lets me create a playlist on the fly without stoping the music and then later save that list if I like it. (or at least will keep it recorded in case I inadvertently hit the menu button) I'm surprised how hard it is to find out about this aspect in reviews. This is mainly for parties so I can pick songs people want to hear and not have to stop the music. This is a big thing to me.
Other areas of main importance are
1.) at least 8gb
2.) available armband
3.) simplicy of getting files on the player (less complex the music managing software, the better. I've had itunes issues)
After that I 'd be buying based on:
4.) less proprietary inputs, the better (reason for the gigabeat over the vision:M)
5.) ease of getting usable video
6.) decent screen
The final three would indicate a Hard-drive player, but if I could find a flash player that nailed the first three, I'd be on that.
Thanks for any info and advice.