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older pads and iphones & spectre & meltdown issue

Just wondering why Apple is not providing patches for this problem to older ipads and iphones that are not able to update to IOS 11. They are still very usable, many folks are using them, and they are vulnerable too. Microsoft is providing patches for older systems, why can't Apple too? Why don't they feel the responsibility to the millions of users out there that have and use these devices on a daily basis>

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In the Apple iPad and iPhones

In reply to: older pads and iphones & spectre & meltdown issue

Unless you jailbreak the issue is muted. That is, your apps come from iTunes and tested there.

I have yet to see a patch for Windows XP.

Can you share if you did jailbreak or not? If you did that, you accepted the risks as well as the issue that Spectre and Meltdown have not shown up on iOS (not jailbroken) yet. I think the media is playing on your fears.

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No but..

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No I did not jailbreak, whatever that is. But this is an issue of the chip design and operation, as far as I understand it, not of apps. Why Apple feels no responsibility to millions of their purchasers I do not understand. It's a big reason why I don't plan to purchase any more Apple products, despite their otherwise great features. Perhaps the media is playing on my fears ( of course they are) but there is a real issue there, and I wanted to find out if there were any fixes available.

Microsoft seems to have made patches for Windows os going back to Windows Vista, and users of XP were well warned before it stopped doing security updates for that. And that's going back many years! Apple has dropped supporting anything over about 3-4 years old, and many of us are conscious of making sure our consumption is as sustainable as possible, not just dumping everything whenever something shiny and new comes along.

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Back to the articles.

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It is all about the apps here. The app's code has to do something specific to use the exploits you are writing about.

So the issue is still muted if the apps are in the store. Apple can test for the issue in the apps that are in the store.

Your choice on what to buy. My view is the media is making hay on this.

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Thank you

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Hi again, and thanks so much for your perspective on this. It has helped put my mind at ease about using the ipad. I learned something and that's a good thing Happy And... I guess that's what the media does, although we need them. I wanted to learn more and so that's why I came to this forum. Thanks!

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Yes but...

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Bob is right, there is way too much uninformed chatter in the media about all this and it is also true that there has been no exploitation of the flaws in the wild on any platform so far.

The fact remains that this is a fundamental flaw in the architecture of the processor chips in the PC and derivatives of it, i.e. systems originally designed for personal use, where memory protection, which is what this is all about, was of no real concern. After all, you'd be unlikely to steal anything from yourself, would you? Fixing it is a design issue, which will take a relatively long time, so software mitigations have been provided on most supported platforms.

While one would assume that Apple, Google, Microsoft and Amazon would check the applications in their various stores, to ensure there are no hidden exploits in there (easier for some than others), it has been demonstrated that the flaw can be exploited via Javascript, which, in turn, could be planted in a webpage that you might invoke with your device web browser. A lot of ifs and buts so the old advice becomes even more important, be very careful what you browse into, more so in devices no longer in mainstream support.

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Tip of the iceberg really.

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You don't want to know how many devices run old versions of Android, Linux or other OSes. My world has everyday run ins with old CCTV DVRs and most were Linux based. The makers do not offer an update and never will.

So far the best moves are to firewall these off and let them work till the end.

-> Here's a thing. The media is hyping this too much. There are few in the wild examples and for Apple, the app store will be its best defense for devices that can't get iOS updates.

I have a 5s so how old is that? I think it came out in 2013. Mine died once as the battery failed so 17 bucks and it's back. Phones usually don't last this long so to go back and fix devices that are older than expected is not expected to happen.

Ford for example doesn't have parts for most of the cars they made.

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good points

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Thanks to both of you.... I am learning as we go here and glad I asked this forum. You both address, in these last 2 posts, my second thoughts after I posted my last. Because obviously if Apple had made updates for IOS 11, updates for the OS and not just the apps were considered necessary and useful. So why couldn't they have sent out an update for IOS 10 at least? Maybe it's just not possible; I don't know. But my ipad is also from 2013, and I don't plan to replace it until I have to, just because the sooner I replace it, the sooner the replacement will have to be replaced! And to my mind that's a responsible position in today's world of real sustainability issues of all sorts.

So thanks for your perspectives, and I'll be interested to hear more...

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