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OK, it's been a year and the union still stands.

by Dan McC / May 18, 2005 3:44 AM PDT
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In this country
by Jerry562 / May 18, 2005 4:38 AM PDT

there is no such thing as a same sex marriage. Go to Canada.

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If your country includes Massachusetts, then
by Dan McC / May 18, 2005 5:34 AM PDT
In reply to: In this country

it sure as heck does have same sex marriage. And it's not causing anyone any problems at all.

Canada is another country that has it, too. You're right about that.

Dan

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I work in Massachusetts...
by EdH / May 18, 2005 5:44 AM PDT

It's definitely a different country. I breathe a sigh of relief when I escape across the border every evening.

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(NT) (NT) lol
by Dan McC / May 18, 2005 5:45 AM PDT
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Not quite in all of Canada yet I believe...
by EdH / May 18, 2005 6:03 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) But headed that way.
by Dan McC / May 18, 2005 6:13 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Good link EdH. Very informative.
by Echo2 / May 18, 2005 8:13 PM PDT
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Massachusetts can't over-ride
by Jerry562 / May 18, 2005 8:09 AM PDT

Federal law when I went to school. So I assume that city (of San Francisco) law can't either.

Go to Canada. Say Hi to Teddy.

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I think only a constitutional amendment can prevent a state
by Echo2 / May 18, 2005 8:20 PM PDT

from passing a law like the same sex marriage act (or whatever it's called)
Otherwise every state is bound to honor that marriage in accordance with the "Full Faith and Credit" section in the US Constitution:

Article IV

Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Section 2. The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

At least that's my understanding of it.

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It doesn't appear to have
by TONI H / May 18, 2005 9:53 PM PDT
In reply to: In this country

caused Canada to fall into the surrounding oceans to have same-sex marriages be legal. Are you trying to say that Canada is a morally corrupt country and therefore isn't credible anymore? Should they isolate themselves from the rest of the world now so they can't influence other people into thinking their way?

I'm trying to figure out how you feel about what you think is going to happen to Canada because they don't have the same laws 'we' do? Do you believe that Canadians are spawns of Satan and will go to hell now? Do you believe that because their government chose to accept same-sex marriages as legal that their government body should all resign because you don't think they should represent their country?

TONI

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OK ... so how about the Bush Administration?
by Evie / May 18, 2005 5:38 AM PDT

Far more dire predictions were made over his election and re-election. His choices for Cabinet officials, foreign policy, etc.

The union not only still stands but is arguably stronger! (Unless you consider the opinions of the UN and old Europe really meaningful)

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(NT) (NT) Off topic.
by Dan McC / May 18, 2005 5:46 AM PDT
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Not really ...
by Evie / May 18, 2005 5:54 AM PDT
In reply to: (NT) Off topic.

... just using your logic. The union still stands so therefore gay marriage isn't such a bad thing? We've killed almost 50million unborn Americans and the union still stands. It's been a year since Abu Graib and the union still stands. What's your point?

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(NT) (NT) Off topic.
by Dan McC / May 18, 2005 6:13 AM PDT
In reply to: Not really ...
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Again ... not really
by Evie / May 18, 2005 6:15 AM PDT
In reply to: (NT) Off topic.

The union has "stood" after any number of wars, court decisions (good and bad) and changes in the law (good and bad). So what's your point? That because the union still stands that vindicates this particular situation? Nonsense!

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'Stronger?' It is to laugh!
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / May 18, 2005 10:40 PM PDT

Evie, have you looked at where the dollar is now vs where it was when Bush took office?

Our standing in the world community has never been lower (which doesn't matter to many on this board, of course...). Our allies are pulling our of Iraq one after another, and Tony Blair barely survived his latest election as a direct result of his support for us.

Our military is so over-stretched that we're essentially impotent to handle another world crisis should one arise (for the likelihood, see low standing, above).

But we're stronger, oh yeah -- and I have a bridge a hundred miles south of you I'd like to sell you, too!

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Well ...
by Evie / May 18, 2005 11:25 PM PDT

... we have a President that has finally gone after the terrorists. That is #1 priority and the opinions of the French and others don't really matter to me.

My mortgage rate is low, my property value increasing. My husband is gainfully employed as am I and our investments are doing well (just average stuff BTW). Nationwide we are at a level most economists call "full employment" while European nations flirt with or have become accustomed to double digit unemployment rates.

Our economy has been growing at a faster rate than any other developed nation and shows no signs of stopping any time soon. This despite two wars and 9/11, and the corporate catastrophes precipitated from the Clinton Administration policies (if any administration can be blamed at all for them). This economic growth is attributed to the Bush tax cuts by a concensus of economists.

You can be down on the US for being the US. I'm not going to join your pity party. Far better to celebrate all the good that has happened. I would rather watch video of Bush's "rock star" reception recently in Georgia (did you SEE all the AMERICAN flags waving alongside Georgian ones?) than Chirac grimacing over Bush's so-called arrogance.

Evie

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The wisdom and morality of the situation do not pass as time
by Kiddpeat / May 18, 2005 8:14 AM PDT

does although some might like them to drain away.

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Well it seems like the Gay comminity
by Jerry562 / May 18, 2005 7:56 PM PDT

doesn't have a lot of use for Christianity or George Bush, and the way they talk about both I've been wondering if they tried to pull their 'alternative lifestyle' BS in a Muslin country.

Like the saying, 'You have to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything' applies to some countries too. (Canada, England, France, etc.)

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Our country stands for freedom
by Dan McC / May 19, 2005 12:00 AM PDT

for the individual. This is good. That is not the case in many Muslim dominated counties. That is bad.

Dan

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