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Ohio wants amendment to use casino camera images

by Willy / June 11, 2013 3:05 AM PDT

Ohio legislature is trying to get an amendment that will allow use of camera data at casinos. While the use is intended to catch those that use casinos as a means to launder money from ill-gotten sources or what have you. that appears to be alright but it opens an entire venue of imagery that will remain at 5yrs. under state use. The point I like to make that *ALL IMAGERY* will be store for Ohio law enforcement to review and make the judgement calls. This is more than that once this gets passed or could too easily become yet again something that reeks of "Big Brother". Oh yeah, its been slightly under the radar as being attached to the budget amendment. If passed it will also be used on *all* gambling establishments were cameras are already in use for their owners. -----Willy Happy

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Here's what I don't get
by Josh K / June 11, 2013 3:33 AM PDT

Privacy issues aside, the government (federal and/or state) can already get this data any time they want, via search warrant. Same for the phone data we're hearing about this week. All of the major providers store this information, though I don't know for how long. So why have government stockpiles of data someone else is already gathering and paying for?

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If you arouse get the warrant
by Willy / June 11, 2013 4:01 AM PDT

Right, not the other way around. It's one thing to think someone is already under surveillance or follow leads and such, then do the legally required thing. In other words, not a wholesale approach and make it become the norm. I just don't see it stopping there. They're already trying to make DNA samples(they already have) become something that's not a temporary thing but become yet more data to maintain. Do you honestly think those "chips" in cars that insurance want you to try out are going to be in your favor or yet be another avenue to get you one way or another. Everything will become of this web of data as you already know much of your cell phone text usage is stored. The toll road cameras is also used in divorce cases or on road chasing. One one hand it seems OK, but it just opens too many doors which the private citizen won't have say until too late. Sure, you make it illegal to do this or that and try to enforce it once its on the books. -----Willy Happy

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It is my understanding that phone companies only keep
by Diana Forum moderator / June 11, 2013 4:02 AM PDT

a couple of months of these records and the government wants years of data.

I can go on my old bills online and find more than a year of information however.

Never know who to believe.


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The government could still save a lot of money.....
by Josh K / June 11, 2013 4:59 AM PDT simply passing a new FCC regulation the requires the carriers to maintain these records for X years instead of whatever the rules (if any) are now.

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My solution
by Steven Haninger / June 11, 2013 3:37 AM PDT

is to get rid of the casinos and make our government go through cold turkey withdrawal from gambling addiction money. The voters were hounded and pounded into approving this venture just to get these people off of our backs. They came back every year until they got their way and it seems that most all of the predicted negative side effects have come true. Shut 'em down! Happy

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The problem is that, like drugs,
by Diana Forum moderator / June 11, 2013 3:51 AM PDT
In reply to: My solution

gambling will just go underground and be controlled by gangs.


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So we need more casinos
by Steven Haninger / June 11, 2013 3:54 AM PDT

to keep the addiction above ground and government on the gambling payroll? No...if they go underground, find their entry hole and fill it with cement. Wink

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Unfortunately, I wish that worked.
by Diana Forum moderator / June 11, 2013 4:00 AM PDT

Talk to the cops about how we are winning our war on drugs.


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It worked in China
by James Denison / June 12, 2013 1:07 AM PDT
following the communist takeover. Of course it required the death penalty and loss of some lives, eventually. I'm not sure we know how many were executed, or died in prison.

"As the Communists swept south to Shanghai,
the Green Gang and other criminal syndicates fled to Hong Kong; the Guomindang escaped to Taiwan. The People's Republic of China was founded.

By this time, there were literally millions of addicts in the
country. The new government immediately set about coping with the
monumental problem.
Peasants were persuaded to plough in their opium crops and sow wheat or
rice instead. Neighbourhoods were mobilised in a massive educational
The street committees which governed the neighbourhoods held study
groups in which the evils of opium and heroin were discussed. Families
of known
addicts were educated not to blame their addict members, but to
encourage them to seek help. Addicts themselves were impressed by the
fact that they
were not blamed for their addiction, since they were considered victims
of foreign governments and other enemies of the people. After their
cure, they
were given training and then placed in paying jobs. Many of them were
hired by the government to work with other addicts.

At the same time, pressure was placed on the dealers. Those who
surrendered were accepted by the community, re-educated, trained for
work and given jobs. The rest were packed off to prison, and the worst
offenders were executed. By 1956, the People's Republic of China had
eliminated its drug problem."
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(NT) You know the's the money, nope tax revenue
by Willy / June 11, 2013 4:02 AM PDT
In reply to: My solution
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We could probably balance the budget
by Diana Forum moderator / June 11, 2013 4:06 AM PDT

if we legalized pot and collected taxes on it like tobacco.


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And think of what that would do.....
by Josh K / June 11, 2013 4:19 AM PDT

......for companies like Nabisco, Betty Crocker and Hershey's! I bet Hostess wouldn't have gone under either. Cool

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(NT) Did you know that pot increases metabolism?
by Diana Forum moderator / June 11, 2013 4:23 AM PDT
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Sure; that's one reason it's used with cancer patients
by Josh K / June 11, 2013 4:57 AM PDT

It helps stimulate their appetites.

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(NT) It has the pot growers and distributors drooling too.
by Steven Haninger / June 11, 2013 5:15 AM PDT
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And why not
by Josh K / June 11, 2013 5:57 AM PDT

There's a ton of money to be made (both by private enterprise and by the government), it helps people, it isn't nearly as harmful to the body as alcohol or tobacco, people high on weed don't beat their spouses or get into bar fights, you don't wake up with a hangover and it would put a lot of drug traffickers out of business. What's not to love?

It should be legal, regulated and taxed.

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by Steven Haninger / June 11, 2013 7:20 AM PDT
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and available at gas stations along the highway. It's scary enough with the drunks and cell phone users out there. Let's get 'em high and let 'em drive.

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Having it in your grocery bag.....
by Josh K / June 11, 2013 8:54 AM PDT

....doesn't get you high, any more than having beer in your grocery bag gets you drunk.

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And the law to not smoke pot and drive will be obeyed?
by Steven Haninger / June 11, 2013 9:47 AM PDT

Of course it will be...just as much as the laws against drinking, texting, speeding and other reckless activities are obeyed. If it's legal to buy, it should be legal to grow for personal use just as is any garden vegetable. Go ahead and make it legal but don't justify any thinking by suggesting it as a government profit center. Have at it and get ready to count the bodies.

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A big "if"...
by Willy / June 11, 2013 11:52 AM PDT

I thought that very much. For if there were any extra $ or such it will be spent. About the only thing I've ever heard done when revenue exceeded expenditures, was put it away for a "rainy day fund". Which always seems to be right around the corner. -----Willy Shocked

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(NT) And not even need to take from the rich?
by Steven Haninger / June 11, 2013 7:00 PM PDT

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