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Odd Couple! Ivins, Buckley defend Newsweek

Molly Ivins: Tales of Americans abusing the Koran are nothing new.
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>>Uh, people, I hate to tell you this, but the story about Americans abusing the Koran in order to enrage prisoners has been out there for quite some time. The first mention I found of it is March 17, 2004, when the Independent of London interviewed the first British citizen released from Guantanamo Bay. The prisoner said he had been physically beaten but did not consider that as bad as the psychological torture, which he described extensively. Jamal al-Harith, a computer programmer from Manchester, said 70 percent of the inmates had gone on a hunger strike after a guard kicked a copy of the Koran. The strike was ended by force-feeding. <<

Newsweek's dilemma and underlying difficulty.
(Chronicle login: semods4@yahoo.com; pw = speakeasy)

>> It wasn't until the White House reacted to evidence that riots were being ascribed to the Newsweek article that a direct connection was made, and U.S. mortification set in. Scott McClellan of the White House adopted a shrewd line in his protest. It was that since such a desecration by U.S. military was unthinkable, therefore the reporting of it had to be false!

.... The underlying difficulty derives from the fact that infamous people are capable of infamy ? that the U.S. military could include, in Guantanamo, a soldier or two who behaved not as they should, but as other U.S. soldiers did in Abu Ghraib two years ago. <<

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(NT) (NT) and a lie is a lie no matter how old it is

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I hardly see Buckley ...

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... ''defending Newsweek'', certainly not in the same manner as Ivins essentially bashes the US Military in her own effort.

Neither seems to have gotten to the central point of Newsweek's problem. Yes, the allegations have been around almost before the first shots were fired in Afghanistan -- but they were just that, ALLEGATIONS, by ex-detainees (that only those inclined to side against their country are willing to accept as fact on face value :(). Newsweek -- citing an anonymous SINGLE source -- claimed that a US GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL had essentially CONFIRMED one of those claims. Newsweek then invoked the ''Rather Standard'' in saying that an official response that didn't dispute the claim was supposedly the same as corroboration of its veracity. Pathetic. These are the ''real journalists'' that have the audacity to make fun of the wardrobes of bloggers.

I've seen Matt Drudge panned quite a bit here, and in some cases rightly so. However Drudge doesn't infer false credibility on his sources in the manner in which Newsweek does, and therefore even his fans view most of his ''breaking stories'' with a modicum of skepticism. Supposedly the ''mainstream'' of ''real'' media adheres to a higher journalistic standard.

This time, yet again, Newsweek has demonstrated that they did not. Yes, the irrational response of rioting and killing is to be deplored and is not the fault of Newsweek. JUST AS IT WOULDN'T BE THE FAULT OF THE MILITARY IF THE ALLEGATIONS WERE PROVED TRUE (although doubtful those trying to excuse Newsweek won't recognize their hypocrisy in blaming America for anti-American sentiment in the Muslim/Arab world). But whatever the sequence of events, it is undeniable that rioters are NOW using Newsweek to fuel their fires. Newsweek could be doing more here to undo their part.

Evie Happy

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Dave

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The only documented abuse of the koran was done by a muslim . Also, just because the terrorist suspects said something happened, doesn?t mean it did happen. I remember when one of the first suspects was released, he complained that he had been tortured because he was put in a cell with air conditioning. That?s some real serious abuse, eh.

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'documented' probably means they were smart enough

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not to take photos, Duckman, unlike the folks at Abu Ghraib.

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(NT) (NT) or like jane fonda the traitor did

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Why do you automatically ...

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... presume the assertions of detainees are truthful and your countrymen, defending YOUR a$$, are not?

Evie

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(NT) (NT) you really need an answer?

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