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Ocean currents to blame for warming: expert

Apr 30, 2007 7:40AM PDT

THE United States' leading hurricane forecaster says global ocean currents, not human-produced carbon dioxide, are responsible for global warming.

William Gray, a Colorado State University researcher, also said the Earth may begin to cool on its own in five to 10 years.

Speaking to a group of Republican MPs, Dr Gray had harsh words for researchers and politicians who said man-made greenhouse gases were responsible for global warming.

"They are blaming it all on humans, which is crazy," he said.

"We're not the cause of it."

Dr Gray said in the past 40 years the number of serious hurricanes making landfall on the US Atlantic coast had declined even though carbon dioxide levels had risen.

He said increasing levels of carbon dioxide would not produce more, or stronger, hurricanes.

Dr Gray, 77, has long criticised the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21636036-5012769,00.html

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Makes no sense to me
Apr 30, 2007 10:05AM PDT

Ocean and air currents merely redistribute heat. Neither can create it. I can think of only two major natural sources of heat on our planet. One is direct energy from the sun and the other is geothermal. Heat from burning fossil fuels is just that which came from the sun and was stored. The same goes for the burning of plant material....wood, etc. If we burn it faster than it's being produced, the earth may warm some because the energy is no longer being stored in the same proportion. What doesn't fit into natural sources is nuclear energy. While I believe it will be a necessary replacement for carbon fuels in the future, I cannot figure what will be it's warming affect on the earth as it becomes more the energy of choice for electrical power.

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He's not saying the ocean currents are creating heat...,
Apr 30, 2007 11:20AM PDT

He's saying that human produced greenhouse gases are NOT producing the warming. The story is incomplete in that it does not tell us what the Doctor attributes warming to.

Geothermal and solar are not the only sources of heat, BTW. Right away chemical causes and friction spring to mind and I am sure there are others.

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Chemical causes and friction
Apr 30, 2007 9:43PM PDT

do produce heat. Keep in mind that, as for chemical reactions, energy has already been absorbed. It's just being re-released...same as bio fuels....simple laws of thermodynamics apply. The earth has been soaking up solar energy for eons and storing. Scientists say the sun is slowly burning out...giving off energy. Since the total quantity of energy remains a constant, that given off by the sun is going somewhere. Earth is one of those somewheres.

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(NT) Do they have ocean currents on Mars too?
May 1, 2007 1:43AM PDT