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Obama's Foreign Policy Displayed?

Sep 3, 2015 2:40AM PDT
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/unintended-consequences-of-obama-foreign-policy-dead-syrian-child-washes-up-on-turkey-beach/

"He was the latest victim of Middle East violence.
Today from Iraq, to Syria, to Lebanon, to Egypt to Libya there is turmoil.
This is the result of a failed foreign policy.
The Obama doctrine – build a Caliphate in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya.
Withdraw American influence and protection.
The result?
In just 4 years half of Syria’s population has been killed, displaced or fled the country."


http://glenburniemd.net/CNET/DeadSyrianChild.png

Should Obama carry blame for this? These Islamics are so ready and willing to kill so many of their own anyway. Is there anything Obama could have done to prevent this? If so, since it's landing on the doorsteps of Europe now, why didn't THEY do something?!

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So
Sep 3, 2015 5:00AM PDT

Exactly how many refugees are YOU willing to accept in America?

Is there a limit?

Do you think America can "save the world"? (How?...Bomb the hell out of any opposition?) Don't forget many innocents are living with the "other side"...collateral damage. Kill 100 innocents to get 1 terrorist? People would either be running from the terrorists or running from the Americans with YOUR bombs.

How would you, as an American President, handle the situation in Europe IF the shoe was on YOUR foot.....hundreds of thousands of people flooding across the border all looking for asylum?

Would you open the doors and say "Come on in"?

What would be YOUR "foreign policy"?

I realize we as individuals don't "have to develop policies" here....we just complain, ask questions or give praise, mostly just complain.

So, no response expected.

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French Foreign Legion
Sep 3, 2015 5:09AM PDT

Their approach was probably the best in the previous century, when they controlled North Africa and provided safe havens in Africa for people to flee to during times of stress and then they'd mobilize to deal with the thread causing the refugees, so they could return back home.

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Their approach was probably the best in the previous century
Sep 3, 2015 5:24AM PDT

So we should be working on a time machine?

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yes, you should.....
Sep 3, 2015 5:33AM PDT

...get to work on it immediately. No time to waste, pardon the pun. Don't waste time posting here until you've completed it. Bye and good luck in your endeavor.

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Re: Don't waste time posting here until you've completed it.
Sep 3, 2015 5:49AM PDT

Stop responding and I'll get right on it.

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How many refugees
Sep 3, 2015 6:56AM PDT

were fleeing Iraq during our time there? There wouldn't BE any now IF BO hadn't backed off his 'red line' threat to Syria and IF he had bombed the hell out of ISIS in Iraq immediately when he had the opportunity to because they were all traveling in packs.

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RE: There wouldn't BE any now
Sep 3, 2015 7:29AM PDT

Were does Bush setting a timeline for troop withdrawal in Irag fit in your scenario?

IF that didn't happen.....BUT it did.

it's Obamas fault that he followed the agreement made by Bush?

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Yes, it's his fault
Sep 3, 2015 8:04AM PDT

He pulled out ALL troops even though that timeline from Bush allowed for an agreement with the new Iraqi government to leave some there....and BO refused to make those arrangements because HE ran on leaving. His military advisors told him ahead of time what would happen if he didn't leave a residual force there and he didn't care. He only cares about his 'legacy'..........

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So, the leader of Iraq
Sep 3, 2015 2:26PM PDT

who had completely wiped clean his elected government officials says 'that's not possible' and the 'leader' of the Free World just says 'ok' and backs away with his tail between his legs?

Yep........BO got exactly what he wanted........everybody gone with Maliki in Iran's pocket, and didn't care that our military was literally defeated by their Coward in Chief.

If he can spend over two years in secret negotiations with Cuba and two years in negotiations with Iran, he wasn't able to negotiate with that Superman Maliki? Why do you suppose that was?

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You want Obama to act like Putin?
Sep 3, 2015 8:11PM PDT

Move to Russia, OR the Ukraine...Putin is there uninvited, just as America would be in Iraq.

THEN you'll have "your kind of leader".

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So, you want Obama to be more like...
Sep 3, 2015 8:55PM PDT

Neville Chamberlain in his dealings with Iran. Maybe you could just move to Iran and wait for the fun to begin. Then you'll get to enjoy what Obama has done for peace, just like your hero Neville Chamberlain.

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(NT) So YOU want Obama to be more like Putin, Hitler
Sep 4, 2015 4:11AM PDT
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So YOU want Obama to be more like Pol Pot, Mao,
Sep 4, 2015 4:36AM PDT

Ho Chi Minh, Che Guevara, Lenin, Khrushchev, Hugo Chavez, Keith Olbermann, Stalin, Ethel Rosenberg, Huey Newton,.....Oh wait, I remember that last guy



He reaped what he sowed.

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So, you want Obama to be more like...
Sep 3, 2015 8:56PM PDT

Neville Chamberlain in his dealings with Iran. Maybe you could just move to Iran and wait for the fun to begin. Then you'll get to enjoy what Obama has done for peace, just like your hero Neville Chamberlain.

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First, you're an idiot....
Sep 4, 2015 4:39AM PDT

Your assumption is asinine....

Second, I think millions of refugees would actually welcome ISIS being wiped out so they could go home.....too late for hundreds of thousands of others who have been killed or put into 'servitude' by ISIS....but still.......wouldn't YOU rather be able to go back home to a safer environment or would YOU rather keep getting people onto refugee boats that sink and people drown trying to escape the horror in their (literal) backyards?

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First, you're an idiot....
Sep 4, 2015 4:42AM PDT

And a Good morning to you

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RE:wouldn't YOU rather be able to go back home
Sep 4, 2015 4:56AM PDT
wouldn't YOU rather be able to go back home to a safer environment

Was the rest of my family and all my friends still alive after you "bombed the hell" out of the country?
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No
Sep 4, 2015 7:13AM PDT

If ISIS was already there, your family and friends were either refugees as well, dead because they didn't 'play well' or were Christians....or they joined ISIS and deserve to be 'not alive' anyhow. So where do your family and friends fall in those scenarios? If your family weren't refugees with you, why not?

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If Bush/Cheney hadn't gone into Iraq
Sep 7, 2015 6:11PM PDT

ISIS wouldn't be a problem.

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No...if BO hadn't turned his back on Iraq
Sep 8, 2015 2:39AM PDT

in one fell swoop in order to appease his supporters AND if he hadn't made a 'red line' threat to Syria and backed off, ISIS wouldn't be a problem there.......remember ISIS started in Syria.........

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Actually it has been around before
Sep 9, 2015 6:08PM PDT

Obama's Presidency. It started right after we invaded Iraq and went together with al-Qaeda and became more and more militant until even al-Qaeda disowned them. They proclaimed the Islamic State of Iraq in 2006. They did go into Syria during Obama's Presidency but were around long before that.

Saddam kept al-Qaeda in check in Iraq but Bush fixed that.

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Bush kept them in check
Sep 9, 2015 8:43PM PDT

All this now is on Obama whom took over and let it get out of control.

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(NT) we can't be certain of that
Sep 9, 2015 8:36PM PDT
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I alway love those type of arguments
Sep 10, 2015 2:11AM PDT

"If this, then not that..."

I could also say that "If Salk and others hadn't formulated vaccines against deadly diseases, we'd have fewer people dying of cancer". It just might be true.

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RE: had bombed the hell out of ISIS
Sep 3, 2015 7:32AM PDT

"bomb the hell"?

Unfortunately they don't make a "bomb" that only kills the enemy.......And innocent victims can become "the enemy" when too many innocent people are "collateral damage".

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There wouldn't have been many
Sep 3, 2015 8:06AM PDT

civilian casualties if he had taken this group seriously from the beginning and bombed them as they were traveling in large numbers.....NOW, yes, it would kill those that ISIS is hiding behind and using as human shields just as Hamas does in Palestine.

Besides....we never worried about collateral damage in previous wars....and won them in short order until VietNam's political interference.

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RE:we never worried about collateral damage in previous wars
Sep 3, 2015 8:34AM PDT

AND the enemy wore a "uniform".

Those were the days.

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Uniforms stopped being used
Sep 3, 2015 9:07AM PDT

during Viet Nam..........

If the 'in country' military won't fight them off, then it's on them if civilians are killed because ISIS is killing them anyhow so why should we worry about that if we can stop them from spreading further? Once we level the place, the refugees can come home.

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We've already waited too long
Sep 3, 2015 9:40AM PDT

About the last time a US president took decisive action to stop an invading army (or hoard) was GHWB. Circumstances were different, of course, but I'd like to think that innocent lives can be preserved by taking his "sooner rather than later" approach. ISIS is more like a cancer and we already know what doctors suggest as offering the best chance of success against those diseases. They take quick and aggressive action. Some are lost but more will make it using this approach. Any killing is an act of evil and justification can only be made when an evil act prevents a greater evil.