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Obama - Hillary Secret Emails Conspiracy Method.

Mar 10, 2015 3:37AM PDT
Hillary

Obama


"Clinton, a probable Democratic
presidential candidate who's long led her competitors on the left and the right in the polls, has seen her popularity decline since it became public knowledge that she exclusively used a private email system with a personalized domain name that was linked to secret server while she was at the State Department. According to The Guardian, Clinton is looking to launch her campaign on April 1, the first day of a new quarter of fundraising.

The White House confirmed on Monday that President Barack Obama knew about Hillary Clinton's private email
address because he emailed her at it during her tenure of secretary of state. ....In an interview with CBS News during his trip to Selma, Alabama, Obama had defended former Secretary of State Clinton and applauded her decision to release the emails.'I'm glad that Hillary's instructed that those emails about official business need to be disclosed,' Obama said. 'I think that the fact that she is putting them forward will allow us to make sure that people have the information they need,' I'm glad that Hillary's instructed that those emails about official business need to be disclosed President Barrack Obama 'The policy of my administration is to encourage transparency,..."

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As for mending bridges, considering the way the leftist act "at the bridge", isn't it about time they replaced that ageing bridge, which I think no longer serves even as a automobile road anymore. It's definitely a historical anachronism and an useless eyesore at that. I guess it's a good think Lincoln didn't write the Emancipation Proclamation while sitting on his toilet, or we'd have to look at it forever as some icon too, LOL.

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RE: SOME do,
Mar 11, 2015 2:04PM PDT

and THEY shall be known as?

Capitalists.

That's how YOU referred to them....Why shouldn't I refer to them as Capitalists?

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because they'd no longer
Mar 11, 2015 2:08PM PDT

be true Capitalist. They'd be crooks. Happy

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RE: They'd be crooks
Mar 11, 2015 2:20PM PDT

THEY would?

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Yes, THEY would.
Mar 11, 2015 2:35PM PDT

Your turn.

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RE:Your turn.
Mar 11, 2015 8:52PM PDT
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So the guy that's the head of the
Mar 12, 2015 6:04AM PDT

Senate Technology committee has bragged that he has never even sent an email.

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(NT) What?????
Mar 12, 2015 6:37AM PDT
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at least you're not complaining that
Mar 10, 2015 6:42AM PDT

she "instructed" the State Department NOT to release her e-mail.

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JP....
Mar 11, 2015 8:27AM PDT

I see you failed to mention previous laws regarding archiving documents and emails...which was NEVER done by HC during her entire tenure as SofS....and waited two YEARS, AFTER she left office and her emails were being subpoenaed by Congress, and even THEN, SHE decided what to send and not send....and PRINTED those emails (which CAN be ALTERED in case you don't know that because I've personally done that on my own computer to prove it can be done) rather than actually FORWARD the originals to the State Dept.

>>Sept. 9, 2013: The National Archives updates regulations on the handling of e-mails and federal records: "While agency employees should not generally use personal email accounts to conduct official agency business, there may be times when agencies authorize the use of personal email accounts, such as in emergency situations when Federal accounts are not accessible or when an employee is initially contacted through a personal account."

She was told by the WH when she got the nod as SofS to archive her emails, but she instead, two days before taking that position, set up the private server in her HOUSE....which is the same charges that Petreius just pled guilty to....having classified information unsecured in his personal possession away from the WH (and ANY emails that discussed ANYTHING to do with government business is considered to be classified until deemed otherwise by the WH, NOT HER since she was no longer an employee)

You will never figure this out or even attempt to......but if it was ok to indict Petreius, then she should be in next.....especially since there are MONTHS of gaps in the emails during Benghazi that have never been turned over, and there is no way you can convince the public that she went for months with NO email activity at all as SofS. This is long from over.......

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worth reading
Mar 11, 2015 9:28AM PDT
http://pagesix.com/2014/06/27/clinton-was-fired-for-obstructing-nixon-probe-book/

"Yale Law School grad Clinton was 26 in 1974 when she started working for the committee that was investigating whether or not there was enough evidence to impeach or prosecute President Nixon for the Watergate affair.

Clinton's boss, Jerry Zeifman, the general counsel and chief of staff to the Watergate Committee, claims he fired her because she was working to impede the investigation and undermine Nixon's defense.

"Hillary's lies and unethical behavior goes back farther — and goes much deeper — than anyone realizes," Zeifman told Fox News in 2008. When asked why he fired Clinton, Zeifman responded, "Because she is a liar.""


Once a liar, always a liar?
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RE: (which CAN be ALTERED
Mar 11, 2015 9:26PM PDT
(which CAN be ALTERED in case you don't know that because I've personally done that on my own computer to prove it can be done)

While you were altering the email you claimed to receive....did you also alter the email that was "sent from the other persons server" on THEIR server? Did it involve hacking into their computer/server?

THEY have one version and YOU have another? Did you have your "made up email" checked by an IT expert that can determine IF/WHEN an email has been altered? YOU KNOW checked/compared the message headers of BOTH the doctored email AND the original from the other persons server?

Seems like your little plan would only succeed in making either you or the person that sent the email look like a liar.

You think HC is hiding email...she could delete EVERY email on her server...

There would be a record on the server of the person that SENT emails TO her.

Her responses would be on the server of the person she responded to. If she didn't respond...there is nothing to delete.

She might hide them from ONE place she can't hide them from EVERY place.

Anxiously waiting for your response to these scenarios.
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Anxiously waiting
Mar 11, 2015 11:25PM PDT

Yes....the recipient or the sender of an email would also have a copy on their server.....BUT without having seen HER server to know who those people all are, subpoenas would be difficult to obtain because there is no knowledge of where those servers are......unless they were all on a .gov email server, and unless Congress has the name of the person who received or sent it to issue that subpoena in the first place. THAT'S how she had managed to keep HER emails out of the public eye for so long.

Every email that was printed and finally sent to the State Dept, since they weren't the original emails forwarded, has also gone to Congress over the last couple of weeks and any name on those emails other than hers will now have subpoena power to get all of THEIR emails to see what, if any, emails were left out from HC's 'accounting'.......

Subpoenas here in the USA have to be very specific....not sure how it's done in Canada....and if you don't know what you don't know because all of the information hasn't been given to you, discovery is nearly impossible, and the Clinton's (and this administration) are experts at duck, dodge, evade, deflect, and hide.

The digging will continue for quite a while.....and they will also be looking at their options for getting physical custody of that server since she is so adamant about not letting them have it.

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RE: BUT without having seen HER server
Mar 12, 2015 12:22AM PDT
BUT without having seen HER server to know who those people all are,

Like YOU said

Every email that was printed and finally sent to the State Dept, since they weren't the original emails forwarded, has also gone to Congress over the last couple of weeks and any name on those emails other than hers will now have subpoena power to get all of THEIR emails to see what, if any, emails were left out from HC's 'accounting'.

I don't think it's too difficult for the gov to punch a few keys and tell THEIR servers to produce ALL correspondence TO HC. Do they need a subpoena for that? I say NO!!!! IF you say yes...explain WHY.

Do you think SHE would be receiving any "important emails" from YOU or ME? Anyone of any importance/influence would have sent their email through a government server...UNLESS you have everyone working in cahoots. (which you probably do)..SUSPICION....

RE: if you don't know what you don't know

Then you make up your own scenario...you know how THAT works.

RE; are experts at duck, dodge, evade, deflect, and hide.

and others are experts at pointing fingers.
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Yes, they can
Mar 12, 2015 1:38AM PDT

probably do that NOW since many of HER printing pages will have their email names/accounts used; however, they can only do 'keystrokes' IF those people have used a .gov email account. If THEY also used personal email accounts, those would have to be subpoenaed. You don't seem to comprehend any of this and how things work here.....so I forgive your ignorance.

Which is why HC was so arrogant about stating that her emails were archived on OTHER people's accounts.......and that those could be looked at..........IF she DIDN'T include, in her printed copies sent to the State Dept since SHE picked and chose what to send to them, any personal accounts for those people, then a whole new set of issues arise, and we know for a fact that SOME of her people DID use personal accounts, because one of them was recently FIRED for doing so, which, because of a FOIA request against HIM, it was discovered that he was emailing HC to HER personal account.

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RE: they can only do 'keystrokes' IF those people have used
Mar 12, 2015 4:05AM PDT

they can only do 'keystrokes' IF those people have used a .gov email account. If THEY also used personal email accounts, those would have to be subpoenaed. You don't seem to comprehend any of this and how things work here.....so I forgive your ignorance.

IGNORANCE?...IGNORANCE?

IF those people have used a .gov email account. THEN they would be on a gov server? a gov...THEIR as in gov. server....Correct?

What do you think I'm saying in THIS statement I posted in the above post

I don't think it's too difficult for the gov to punch a few keys and tell THEIR servers to produce ALL correspondence TO HC.

I forgive your thickness.

Just as you have the news on TV playing in the background, you pick up a few words of a story then fill in the missing bits with your vision of "the truth according to Toni H"...You read posts in SE the same way.

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I completed your sentence for you, JP
Mar 12, 2015 5:02AM PDT

IF those people have PERSONAL accounts and HC corresponded with them THAT way, THOSE emails would NOT be on a government server, and would have to be subpoenaed to get them. Again, I excuse your ignorance.

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NONE of the ones you mentioned
Mar 12, 2015 6:40AM PDT

are subject to the Federal Laws in place for cabinet members and the President.....and those you mentioned aren't the ones who put those laws into place. THAT was done during the Dem control of both Houses........complain to THEM instead.

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RE: THAT was done during the Dem control of both Houses.....
Mar 12, 2015 6:55AM PDT

You didn't cry then...WHY are you crying now?

Because "your side" was doing it?

Funny how that works isn't it?

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You DO realize
Mar 12, 2015 9:01PM PDT

that ALL of those emails were found, don't you? Can you say the same for YOUR side (IRS, Lerner, HC)?

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RE: You DO realize
Mar 12, 2015 9:19PM PDT
You DO realize that ALL of those emails were found, don't you?

HOW could they possibly do that? They were on private servers. That is impossible to do. Isn't it?

IF they did it once...they can do it again?
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Remember when the Bush administration was using
Mar 13, 2015 12:46AM PDT
Remember when the Bush administration was using email servers owned by the RNC and claimed millions of emails were deleted?

The emails had been run through private accounts controlled by the Republican National Committee and were only supposed to be used for dealing with non-administration political campaign work to avoid violating ethics laws. Yet congressional investigators already had evidence private emails had been used for government business, including to discuss the firing of one of the U.S. attorneys. The RNC accounts were used by 22 White House staffers, including then-Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who reportedly used his RNC email for 95 percent of his communications.
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To both of you....
Mar 13, 2015 1:50AM PDT

Diana....I already replied to that story and those emails were found and turned over to the State Dept.

JP....It was done the same way that HC should be doing it...turn over the server to the State Dept for scrutiny. The difference is that the RNC didn't pick and choose and delete what they wanted.

The way it legally works is ALL of the emails are turned over and the STATE DEPT determines what is government business and what isn't....and what isn't is returned to the person or organization as their private business. That isn't what HC has done......

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Toni...RE: turn over the server to the State Dept
Mar 13, 2015 3:35AM PDT
turn over the server to the State Dept for scrutiny. The difference is that the RNC didn't pick and choose and delete what they wanted.

Turned over willingly? AFTER lawsuits AND subpoenas.

Don't try and make it sound like the RNC were forthright.

22 Million Missing E-mails From George W. Bush White House Recovered

The 22 million e-mails "would never have been found but for our lawsuits and pressure from Capitol Hill," said Anne Weismann, chief counsel for CREW. "It was only then that they did this reanalysis and found as a result that there were 22 million e-mails that they were unable to account for before."

The two private organizations say there is not yet a final count on the extent of missing White House e-mail and there may never be a complete tally.

"many poor choices were made during the Bush administration and there was little concern about the availability of e-mail records despite the fact that they were contending with regular subpoenas for records.

"We may never discover the full story of what happened here," said Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director. "It seems like they just didn't want the e-mails preserved."

The two groups say the 22 million White House e-mails were previously mislabeled and effectively lost.


They FOUND 22 million...but there may have been 22,100,000?

100,000 still missing?
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(NT) And they were using gmail. How secure is that?
Mar 13, 2015 3:59AM PDT
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So going back to Bush again
Mar 13, 2015 5:20AM PDT

leaves HC off the hook for HER deliberately deleting emails that only SHE determined didn't have government business on them? AND that she left the WH and didn't turn over the original emails but rather printed copies only after a LAWSUIT forced it (sound familiar?) and then, only what SHE determined was appropriate without originals. At least with Bush, millions WERE recovered and they were all originals, not printed copies.....how many do you think HC will ALLOW to be recovered? Do you think Holder or this WH will confiscate the server?

Should she be allowed to be above the laws that SHE complained about so loudly over the Bush emails?

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RE: Should she be allowed to be above the laws
Mar 13, 2015 5:58AM PDT
Should she be allowed to be above the laws

Who said "she is above the law"?

Did HC say that?

She ain't above the law until it's all over, never to be spoken of again...which could be a long time as long as SE is in operation.

What if GOP gets everything they want and find nothing? (I can see the tears flowing)

GOP smells blood in Hillary Clinton e-mail affair

At the very least, Ms. Clinton will face more questioning by Republicans in Congress. Up on Capitol Hill, where Republicans now control both the House of Representatives and the Senate, the going will get much tougher and Ms. Clinton won't be the one deciding when it's over.

Republicans gunning for Ms. Clinton are openly doubtful that only personal e-mails were destroyed. And they want to know whether destroyed really means unrecoverable or just still lurking on the Clintons' private e-mail server in their estate in Chappaqua, N.Y.

U.S. Representative Trey Gowdy, the South Carolina Republican who heads the so-called Benghazi special committee investigating the killing of the U.S. ambassador to Libya, says he plans to call Ms. Clinton to demand she explain the decision to wipe out nearly half her e-mail files.

"We don't get to grade our own papers in life," Mr. Gowdy said. "She doesn't get to make that call."

He says he will issue a subpoena for all Ms. Clinton's e-mails related to the Benghazi killing.
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RE: I completed your sentence for you
Mar 12, 2015 5:30AM PDT

and IF I said "someone died last night"..

YOU would complete my sentence/thought by saying..."AND they are not going for a bike ride tomorrow".