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I expect this one won't last long
I'll comment that I hope the president was considerate enough to run a few of those barbs past those who would be "victims" of his humor...and get their "ok". Otherwise, I'd consider them inappropriate and a stain on the dignity of the office he holds.
Steve, the last time you predicted doom the thread ran to
70 posts or more. Perhaps you'll be right this time, but let's just try to discuss this on its merits and not try to predict its demise.
That is what our presidents do
.... at the White House Correspondents Dinners. I have a collection of all that were made available through CSPAN.
Some have been more akin to the "Friar's Club" roasts, with barbs being thrown at the president. But at all of them the presidents have performed their own "comedy routine". Clinton chose to make a video in which he made fun of himself.
I did not watch your YouTube because I watched the eveby "live". I don't know if it covers only the President's part.
I do know that some object to some comments by the commedienne.
I do think it's perfectly find to poke fun
at oneself, one close friends, etc. I don't think it should have been done, in such a way, to members of the opposition party when the stated desire is to have cooperation with them. I don't know the mentioned persons were given copies of the script in advance and be allowed to voice any objections. It would be a nice gesture. I don't care about if anyone jokes about persons in the entertainment industry. They are, IMO, fair game.
I think if he
....... had distributed copies of signed certified, and notarized permission slips from Mr. Steele, Mayor Bloomberg, and the other "attackees", that some would continue to think the jokes were out of line. Some might even think it wasn't funny to "blame" the Air Force One fiasco on his daughters.
Perhaps the problem that some feared would be that folks would be afraid to make jokes about a black president is backwards, It is the black presidents who have to be more careful than anybody else. Maybe somebody will write a how-to book.
The Air Force One joke....
....was kinda borderline to me. It was no joke to the people who evacuated buildings and to 9/11 survivors who were probably quite traumatized by the sight of that 747 with its fighter escort.
I didn't think Bush joking about not finding WMDs was a bit funny either. Young men and women died looking for those weapons.
Bush was making fun of...
the idiots who were obsessed to the point of derangement about WMDs. Obviously not everyone "got" it.
RE: the idiots who were obsessed to the point of derangement
Deranged enough to invade a country?
"Obsessed to the point of derangement"
Yeah, imagine expecting the reason we supposedly had to go in as quickly as possible to avoid a global calamity to actually pan out.
He was trying to deflect the fact that he made a colossal mistake. People died for that boo-boo and some of their families didn't find his joke very funny.
"...the reason we supposedly had to go in..."
ONE of the reasons. I believe there were 20 some points presented to Congress and the UN, but critics focus on that ONE. That's what I was saying.
But, the lie took hold and has now become "history"
You say that....
...as if WMD was a minor point. It was not, and it was the "growing threat" of those supposed weapons that we used as the reason we had to go in immediately as opposed to letting the inspectors try to finish their work, which would have taken another two weeks.
You can try to downplay it but that doesn't change the facts.
I didn't downplay it...
nor did I say it was a minor point. But the old "Bush lied and people died" crap is itself a lie. Clinton, and a whole host of other leaders across the world thought there were WMDs in Iraq. Saddam did everything he could to make people believe that he STILL continued the weapons programs that he once had.
Saddam persisted in violating the terms of his surrender in the Gulf War. In my opinion deposing him was fully justified.
Face it, there are people on the left, lots of them, (some who post here) who decided to HATE BUSH even before he WON the election against Gore. Nothing he ever did wasn't proof to them that he was an evil nazi. That's just the way it is.
We're not talking about....
...whether Bush lied or not, or whether other people also thought there were WMDs or not. This is about Bush joking about not finding them. People DID die looking for them and it WAS (in Bush's own words) the main reason we went in.
I guess some things are meant to be unsaid/touched sometimes. Especially when you're going to put humor when it clearly isn't humorous.
He was making a point....
but go ahead, jerk that knee.
BTW, you've proved my point once again...
It's always Bush's fault! No matter what. I hope MarkFlax is watching.
He sure was
He didn't know it, but he made a point all right.
Lime I said....
but Bush himself
Just counting down the seconds till Ed dismisses that link as left-wing propaganda...
Having read this and hearing other discussion
it seems that Iraq wasn't invaded as a counter attack for what happened but that Saddam and Iraq were seen is probably the next (and even larger) potential threat to our security. Saddam certainly had a motive to strike back at the US and others. All that was needed beyond this were weapons and a delivery system. Terrorists are the delivery system. I believe we knew, at one time, that Saddam did have a stockpile of WMD that he was supposed to get rid of. What we didn't have was verification that this was done. He had plenty of time to make them disappear in the manner of his choice while holding the inspection process in check. Like a man standing in front of you with his hands behind his back saying, "I have no gun", does this mean you're safe to drop yours?
Let's not forget.....
that what WAS discovered is that Saddam had huge stockpiles of "conventional" weapons; more than enough to threaten his neighbors and destabilize the Middle East even more, including some missiles that were outlawed by the UN. Those weapons will kill you just as dead as "WMDs"
Let's also not forget....
....that we declared that we knew for a fact that he still had huge stockpiles of WMDs. Rumsfeld even went as far as to declare that he knew exactly where they were.
How long are you gonna flog that horse?
Dead horse to you
Dead sons and daughters to others who can't shrug it off as easily as you apparently can.
What a sick, despicable comment to make, Josh...
You should be ashamed of yourself to say such a disgusting thing. And SE should be ashamed to have let it go without deleting it or locking it.
Sorry if reminding you....
....that young people died looking for those WMDs offends you, Ed.
Those weapons will kill you just as dead as "WMDs"
So what's the big deal about Iran and North Korea getting nuclear?
Why do countries go for "nuclear stockpiles"?
Did Saddam have a method to deliver the conventional weapons?
Got lots of bullets but no rifle.
paid suicide bombers. Doesn't seem to be a shortage of them yet.
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