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NY Council Introduces 'Potty Parity' Bill

Dec 3, 2003 3:53PM PST

Dec 4, 12:48 AM (ET)

By DONNA DE LA CRUZ

NEW YORK (AP) - Potty parity. Squatters rights. Go ahead, make fun of the fact that several City Council members introduced a bill Wednesday to have more restrooms set aside for women than men in most buildings.

To women - and one male law professor dubbed "the father of potty parity" - it's a matter of gender equity.

"Women need more restroom facilities simply because women take longer," said John F. Banzhaf III, a public interest law professor at George Washington University Law School during a telephone interview Wednesday.

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So NY and NYC like most states and cities ...
Dec 3, 2003 11:39PM PST

... are in the middle of budget crises and this sort of stuff has to muck up the works and waste more money??

I see the point, but just don't think this needs to be litigated and mandated. My issue with public restrooms has largely been one of cleanliness. There are some occasions -- like between innings at Yankee Stadium, intermission at a concert or on a night out at a particularly busy night club -- where I have had to wait on line to go, but it really is not all that common or something I feel needs to be remedied in law. Back in my single days when I went out a lot more, night clubs already had bigger bathroom facilities for women than men. This was a matter of good business for them cuz customers tend to drink less when they spend more time on line for the restroom and prefer to have to use the facilities less as a result!

I also don't know where it is that this Banzhaf is frequenting, but to say "In most facilities, all that has to be done is change the sign on the restroom door, taking away some men's bathrooms and assigning them to women" strikes me as rather clueless. In most arenas, night clubs, etc. you don't have 100 single bathrooms with male/female you have large rooms with lots of stalls. I don't think it's any more fair to assign all the restrooms in section 300 of some stadium to women and men to have to trek a lot further just to use the restroom as fair either.

Give me a clean restroom, full toilet paper rolls, shelves and hooks, stalls not so narrow I can actually use them (not to mention what any plus sized woman must go through if I'm having trouble), and those toilet "gaskets" and I'ld be happy. I dunno ladies, is waiting on line for a restroom a big deal for most of you?

Evie Happy

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Re:it depends how urgently you need to go or if you have
Dec 4, 2003 2:22AM PST

a kidney or bladder problem. Sometimes even if your pregnant it can be need quickly.

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I've been on many a rest room line ...
Dec 4, 2003 2:50AM PST

... and although there is always some rude person who will give an evil eye, if someone has an urgent need to go they usually are let to the front of the line.

If I had reason to predict such an urgent need myself, I would consider Depends. I think generally more facilities are needed for women. But in places like NYC where you are talking far more in the way of renovation than new construction, with the way facilities are often distributed (e.g. in Yankee stadium, there is a Men's and Women's room on either side of selected entrances -- can't recall if every major one or what, but regularly distributed) mandating reassignment by law means men with kidney or bladder problems might end up walking farther to get to their facilities.

The unisex handicapped restrooms are a good compromise too. Not sure how to keep this from being too abused, but I don't think anyone rushing to one with an urgent need to go is gonna get penalized.

Evie Happy

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Question, Mary Kay...
Dec 4, 2003 3:57PM PST

Question, Mary Kay. Have you ever used the handicapped stall because it has more room, even when other stalls were available? I hope Dante made another ring for something that Ann Landers once said in a published column.

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I do it all the time.
Dec 4, 2003 8:35PM PST

The regular stalls are too small for me to fit in. Most often I can't get far enough into them to close the door. One thing I always make sure to do however is to leave the seat clean for the handicapped and the toilet flushed. Unfortunately I don't always find them in that condition.

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NT-Women using urinals in the men's room? Humorous image.
Dec 4, 2003 8:20PM PST

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Re:NT-Women using urinals in the men's room? Humorous image.
Dec 5, 2003 1:56AM PST
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NT I'm all for pressing lips. :)
Dec 5, 2003 4:04AM PST
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Re: simply because women take longer
Dec 4, 2003 2:33AM PST

i dunno....

i've always said there only 2 things faster than the speed of light in this world of ours...

one is the taxmans hand going into your pocket, the other is a woman taking a pee when the seat is cold Wink

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Re: NY Council Introduces 'Potty Parity' Bill
Dec 4, 2003 2:35AM PST

Hi, Tim.

Most architects now use this principle with new public buildings. The problem in such laws comes with renovations -- the answer may be reducing the mens' room space, rather than increasing the space for women!
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NT Thread worth it in that I learned for the 1st time that those *gaskets* have an interesting name. :)
Dec 4, 2003 2:50AM PST
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LOL ...
Dec 4, 2003 2:52AM PST

... sometimes my hubby will ask me the condition of a restroom if I come out with that look on my face. I usually rate by the number of "gaskets" required. The other ranking is the "hover depth" Happy

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Re:LOL ...
Dec 4, 2003 3:38PM PST

Whenever my wife and I go out to eat, I rate the lavatories on a scale of 1-10. They can lose a fraction of point simply for not having the waste basket in a convenient enough of a place so that I don't have to find some other way (my shirt, perhaps) of opening the door, on the way out after having washed my hands, of course.

You should have heard Michael Savage on public privys.

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Groan!
Dec 4, 2003 12:21PM PST

Filing court complaints about potty distribution. Is there ANYTHING that people don't want the courts to resolve? Maybe we ought to start carrying our own facilities!

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Maybe they need more alley space
Dec 4, 2003 8:41PM PST

so the women can join the guys pissing against the wall when they can't get into the regular room quick enough.