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(NT) Does program Webroot Spy Sweeper contains Spyware

by hpinvent / June 27, 2005 6:58 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) NO
by roddy32 / June 27, 2005 7:03 AM PDT
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by hpinvent / June 27, 2005 7:08 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) You're welcome
by roddy32 / June 27, 2005 7:11 AM PDT
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How Can That Be?
by kingdomofjones / June 30, 2005 3:39 PM PDT
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When Microsoft first introduced MS-Anti-Spyware in it's Beta Version I was at least somewhat concerned because Beta was a status that was still in it's testing stage and there results were unsupported.The application though good, found the presence of two BHO's(Browser Helper Objects) and so like a concerned computer user, I of course deleted the two BHO's and subsequently closed the application.A couple of minutes later when I went to run my Webroot applications of not only Spysweeper but Window Washer, I was to find that neither Webroot application were working and that both had been dis-abled.How can that happen? When the Microsoft Anti-Spyware was still in its original state with its original designers it was called Giant Anti-Spyware and it was one of the best of all the anti-spyware applications out there.It,(in it's original state) had been subjected to a carefully conceived survey which provided for verifiable data and to this day is available and worthy of a close look and analysis.I can refer you to either grc.com(scroll down the page and you will see the anti-spyware survey information)Take your time and you will find out that the Giant anti-spyware registered such impressive numbers that not only was it head and tails above everything else,no exceptions, but it was terribly efficent.For instance I am referring to what can be referred to as False/Positives-Giant was very nearly perfect with no evidence suggesting that it did'nt know what it was looking at,however that could not be said of say for instance McAfee's claim of a anti-spyware application as the Mcafee application had a rather high incidence of false/positive errors and was not nearly the application that Giant was.The survey went on to suggest that though Giant was as good as any anti-spyware application it was not able to find everything with a very nearly 80% success rate.This was to be supported by Giant spokesmen at the time when there top guy suggested that there chances were greater when the anti-spyware application was programmed to start when the computer booted up.It's ability in protecting the respective data base from anti-spyware violation was best when the Giant was most vigilant as a ever-conscious 24/7 install.The survey also attempted to determine if you could run more than one anti-spyware application would that increase the liklihood of a greater ability to protect a particular data base.The basic results were derived from pairings of applications and what those pairings provided for.One such pairing had the Spysweeper and Giant with only a marginal improvement with both present at the same time as opposed to when just one of the two applications were present with almost no difference.It also indicated that these two applications got along?To bring you up to date what caused the finding by Microsoft anti-spyware and why was there now a finding of multiple presence of BHO's when there was no evidence of that at any prior point in time.This was not the way you would necessarily look for but there was a problem that now to me anyway crept into the picture.It is only an opinion but I ventured a guess that with the purchase of Giant,Microsoft became Microsoft and though it now had its own anti-spyware application,it also had the best on the market.Now the competition was less and less a headache with only a slight tightening of the screws and maybe you can get rid another problem and that is the competition entirely.Though I wont necessarily be so unfeeling due in principal to the fact that this anti-spyware offer from Microsoft was still in it's Beta stage I wont overlook something that did not exist before.I would recommend that if you have some time visit either the aforementioned grc.com or even spywarewarrior.com and find and read what Internet Specialists are doing these days in institutions of higher learning.

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Webroot false positive
by bglover51 / June 30, 2005 10:49 PM PDT
In reply to: How Can That Be?

Each time I downloaded Webroot (took it as a free trial) it kept finding a CWS object. altho CWShredder kept coming up clean.

This result also showed when running the Webroot System Scanner (a free download touted as a "free system spyware analyzer").

Interestingly, after scanning out whatever it found my system would show "clean"-- UNTIL I uninstalled, then reinstalled either of the Webroot products.

Makes me wonder, and I've had similar experiences with other "legitimate" scanners when taking free trials.

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I've experienced the same thing ...
by Jake Barnes / June 30, 2005 11:31 PM PDT
In reply to: Webroot false positive

Re: "Makes me wonder, and I've had similar experiences with other "legitimate" scanners when taking free trials."

I once ran a 'free scan' from Pest Patrol - it found 5 serious items (keyloggers, trojans, CWS, etc.)- and recommended I buy the product to uninstall/remove them. After some research, I concluded that these were false positives. Later, my ISP (Road Runner) started offering Pest Patrol as part of a free bundle by CA, so I d/l PP only (don't like bundles) - and guess what, none of the items from the "free scan" came up on my "official" version.

I share your suspicion that even seemingly reputable companies use false positives as a sales tool. I think this is unethical and it stinks ...

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by dyspyzthespyz / June 30, 2005 11:45 PM PDT

pestpatrol is full of false positives, many people out there report, the cws thing by spysweeper, i have only heard of a few of those, but does not surprise me. almost any product, free or paid has em. spybot used to be innondated with them, so they have set up their own "false reports forum" about them, adaware has them. no one product is perfect, but just because of a false report, does not mean they are trying to goad you into buying it, or else im sure Eric would name mention it on his site. no it does not contanin spyware....why would it? we can't live on "one bad apple spoils the bunch" when it comes to quality products....keep that to the products listed at Erics (spywarewarrior) site!

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Howes site/list is a guide ...
by Jake Barnes / June 30, 2005 11:59 PM PDT
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and is no substitute for personal experience ... and some good research that turns up exactly the same issues with other users. A free scan that scares an inexperienced user into buying an product - then the paid program turns up nothing is suspect to me ... and others on other forums I ran accross. You are certainly entitled to your opinion ... my opinion, however, differes from yours.

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Sorry, but I think it IS a False Positive
by bglover51 / July 1, 2005 12:09 AM PDT

Why else does it keep returning after an uninstall?

I have had this same experience with virtually every spyware scanner I've ever downloaded that gave a free trial. Admittedly I've downloaded a few that weren't on the "approved" list and learned my lesson.

But, Webroot's wasn't the only one to give me a false positive-- every one of them did on the free trial, and this includes ones touted here as having a good reputation, even if they haven't yet made Eric's list.

I do not think this is coincidental. I think it is just par for the course, to give you, the potential buyer, the feeling that (1) the scanner works and (2) you need to buy this sucker or else you will be risk.

My experience has just been too consistent for me to think otherwise.

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Look Again!
by kingdomofjones / July 2, 2005 4:19 AM PDT
In reply to: How Can That Be?

This morning,Sat.July 02/2005 I attempted to place a freeware offer on my Dell Inspiron 2200 Laptop Computer.When this still very new Laptop was ordered,I scrubbed defaulted software offers from Dell in favor of what I believed,were tried and true offerings,both freeware and purchased.I purchased SpySweeper,AdawareSE-Plus,Norton SystemWorks-Premier-2005,and Zone-Alarms-Wireless Security.All of these performers were what I new them to be with no problems with the installs and to this very moment provide a very capable front.This morning though I felt that I might want to add some greater anti-spyware ability and took the Microsoft Anti-Spyware utility seriously and subsequently attempted to download and install the anti-spyware utility from Microsoft.Iam by the way 24/7 on BroadBand/and or National Access through my wireless relationship with Verizon Wireless.The install knocked me off the internet and disconnected my wireless card in no time at all.In fact,though Iam networked I was still not able to get on the Internet simply because the Microsoft Anti-Spyware was something of an obstruction.This is not meant to hit this too hard, however I wanted not to draw an unfair picture with the comment here earlier but the problem was not Spysweeper but Microsoft's handling of the former Giant Anti-spyware utility.On both my laptop and my Desk Top, Spysweeper in very much the same company has been a very capable anti-spyware presence with not a hint of any defection where-as the former Giant anti-spyware,having once the demeanor of an intelligent resource for anti-spyware purposes now possesses the aggression of a Grizzly.I think that we are looking at programmers who are under orders or some such thing because this is where we should be looking.Spysweeper is highly recommended and with that comment I will be upgrading to the new 4.0.

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Why would you think that?
by SoldierWorker / July 3, 2005 5:09 PM PDT

Dude, go to www.toptenreviews.com
It came 3rd place man! Even though I don't use it. I use Security iGuard

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Dude, I didn't say it was bad
by bglover51 / July 3, 2005 9:20 PM PDT

I said i believed it, and most other legitimate spyware detectors still put a false positive in to get you, the customer, to think it's a must- have because nothing else had found that one object!

I don't like the marketing tactic, but either every spyware sweeping program findes one object all the others miss, or each one puts in a false positive on a free trial to get me to buy it. I hate to say it, but I am inclined to believe its the latter statement.

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