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NOW can we question their patriotism?

by Evie / June 17, 2006 12:37 PM PDT
Natalie Maines speaks again Wink

...The Chicks can't hide their disgust at the lack of support they received from other country performers. "A lot of artists cashed in on being against what we said or what we stood for because that was promoting their career, which was a horrible thing to do," says Robison.

"A lot of pandering started going on, and you'd see soldiers and the American flag in every video. It became a sickening display of ultra-patriotism."

"The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism," Maines resumes, through gritted teeth. "Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country? I don't see why people care about patriotism."...
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well some never learn
by Mark5019 / June 17, 2006 12:52 PM PDT

they opened there mouths up and they tanked.
tank again

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I saw her on
by Glenda / June 17, 2006 1:08 PM PDT

some talk show, No clue what it was and she sounds like an idiot! Then she opens her mouth and confirms it! What a stupid little girl Sad

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LOL, ''most'' artist all over the world
by Gakada / June 17, 2006 5:03 PM PDT

didn't get brainwashed enough by education, doctrine or propaganda..

Other word.. they actually are stupid and controlled by their manager, producer, sponsor and fans and maybe by the government, etc....

have a nice weekend guys...

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remember this patriot?
by WOODS-HICK / June 17, 2006 6:04 PM PDT

britney spears interview with cnn tucker carlson

Britney Spears: 'Trust our president in every decision'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A gum-smacking Britney Spears told CNN Wednesday that she has never before kissed a woman and never would again -- unless the woman is Madonna.

The pop star exchanged a prolonged, open-mouth kiss with the Material Girl during MTV's Music Video Awards show last week.

She discussed the kiss, the war in Iraq and other topics with Tucker Carlson, co-host of CNN's Crossfire:

CARLSON: How do you think your fans who followed you from your days in the -- as a Mouseketeer up until now, are they happy with the change in your image?

SPEARS: I mean, honestly, it's about me just performing and expressing myself and I think when someone sees you up on stage having fun and you're fulfilling your dream they're inspired by that and that's what matters.

CARLSON: So you don't notice any shift in the way you present yourself three years ago as sort of the example of clean living and do you think that's changed?

SPEARS: I think I'm still clean living. That's -- I mean I don't go home and have orgies or anything like that. I'm still the same person I've always been.

CARLSON: You're going to be on the National Mall [in Washington, D.C.] soon performing for Pepsi and the NFL and also to support our troops. A lot of entertainers have come out against the war in Iraq. Have you?

SPEARS: Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.

CARLSON: Do you trust this president?

SPEARS: Yes, I do.

CARLSON: Excellent. Do you think he's going to win again?

SPEARS: I don't know. I don't know that.

complete interview is here:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/03/cnna.spears/

also mentioned at drudge report

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For the most part our media picks
by Steven Haninger / June 17, 2006 8:46 PM PDT
In reply to: remember this patriot?

who we hear from polically. They also determine what is published from what they say and in what sort of light the person is portrayed...thus controlling our view of the persons credibility as well.

This is the most effective political ploy available other than censorship. Wink

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the interview was hilarious
by WOODS-HICK / June 18, 2006 12:13 AM PDT

I saw it live. we you read about the gum is one thing, seeing it was priceless. carlson could hardly keep a straight face. if I could have only been able to read his thoughts, he must have got the short straw.

you are right. it is blatant commercialism. in the entertainment business the saying goes. 'not being talked about is worse than being talked about. good or bad, sells.

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I'm not convinced that entertainers should
by Steven Haninger / June 18, 2006 12:34 AM PDT

even be allowed to vote....at least on issues that affect those who live outside of LaLa Land. Let them be limited to such as zoning laws inside their own fairylands. Let them control which places get caberet and liquor licenses. They should be able to handle that Wink

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In the case of the Chicks
by Dragon / June 19, 2006 6:43 AM PDT

Id say 'bad' doesn't sell as well as 'good'.

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(NT) (NT) so another fool
by Mark5019 / June 18, 2006 1:06 AM PDT
In reply to: remember this patriot?
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So?
by Evie / June 18, 2006 5:38 AM PDT
In reply to: remember this patriot?

She's a ditz. At least she's not stupid enough to belittle her own fanbase however dwindling it may be. There is also a difference between making inflammatory posts like Maines slamming the President vs. making one in support or declining to share one's opoinion entirely. TTBOMK, the entertainers seen as on the "right" did not spout Clinton hatespeech every time a microphone was shoved in their faces, and didn't line up against prominent Democrats spouting ignorant smears. (Ignorant as in uninformed). If/when that happens, I'll think the same about the source that I do about Maines. Was never a fan to begin with, so I'm not missing out on anything.

What the Chicks don't seem to realize is that the key to longevity and indeed making money lies in concert tours, endorsements and having their songs featured for certain things like sporting events. Their albums may still sell (unless they try to put political messages in them to), but their "schtick" will fall flat. They have only THEMSELVES to blame for making them "radioactive".

I'll use Tom Petty as an example. His last album was mediocre at best in 2002, and his last commercially successful album was the solo Wildflowers in 1994. And yet he tours quite successfully selling out shows attended by a wide range of agegroups (great shows at that, except my last experience last summer that I posted here about when he was drunk/high and lipsynched the better part of the show :(), does movie soundtracks, and for his upcoming album, they are using his music for the NBA finals "features". I can't imagine the Chicks being asked to be halftime entertainment or anything of the sort. Maybe DNC fundraisers?

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I once decided to buy the Chick's music
by Dragon / June 19, 2006 6:45 AM PDT
In reply to: So?

But that was just before the manure hit the fan. I thought they were a very good band, but the Europe thing ruined it for me.

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They're very good musicians....
by Josh K / June 20, 2006 2:33 AM PDT

....but I don't care much for their music. Unless the songs themselves are political I try not to let a musician's (or actor's) politics affect my opinion of their art/craft. I love a good John Wayne movie as much as anyone despite his political outspokenness.

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(NT) (NT) you mean stand by your country that political stand?
by Mark5019 / June 20, 2006 5:39 AM PDT
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I'm sorry Mark, I don't understand your question
by Josh K / June 20, 2006 6:55 AM PDT

Are you referring to John Wayne's politics? He was VERY right-wing on social AND political issues, and while I strongly disagreed with his views I still enjoy his movies.

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Which is why the albums are selling ...
by Evie / June 20, 2006 6:59 AM PDT

... but nobody wants to go to a concert.

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Huh?
by Josh K / June 20, 2006 7:45 AM PDT

I was just expressing my personal opinion of their music. What does that have to do with their concert attendance?

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Evie's point is that a band makes their largest profit...
by grimgraphix / June 20, 2006 8:08 AM PDT
In reply to: Huh?

from touring rather than CD sales.

Sometimes this is true... sometimes not.

Depends on the band, the venues, the setup of stage, equipment, etc. etc. along with the sponsorship of the tour by an outside marketer such as Coke, Pizza Hut

Also depends on the contractual profits they are due from the record company (successful bands get a bigger cut now a days).

Also depends on the value of the domestic tour versus revenue from the worldwide tour and on and on.

Any which way you look at it, the fact that they still sell records and go on tour says much about their popularity.

grim

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It used to be the opposite
by Josh K / June 20, 2006 11:18 PM PDT

Bands would just break even or even take a loss on tours before sponsorships became popular. Tours were seen as a necessary evil to promote the band's recordings.

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Their music is not ...
by Evie / June 20, 2006 10:24 PM PDT
In reply to: Huh?

... overtly political. Once can pop in a CD and get what they expect. But if they go to a concert, who knows what they'll get.

Referring to the second sentence in your post.

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(NT) (NT) Got it, thanks.
by Josh K / June 20, 2006 11:18 PM PDT
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Patriotism no,
by duckman / June 18, 2006 12:18 AM PDT

General intelligence, yes

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Well, considering she doesn't ...
by Evie / June 18, 2006 5:21 AM PDT
In reply to: Patriotism no,

... understand patriotism or why others might cherish (or even detest) it, I think it's valid to question hers.

Evie Happy

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What is your definition of patriotism Evie?
by grimgraphix / June 19, 2006 6:05 AM PDT

just so I know what the Dixie Chicks don't understand.

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Read what Natalie says ...
by Evie / June 19, 2006 10:34 PM PDT

... SHE says she doesn't understand it.

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Ummm... I asked you, Evie
by grimgraphix / June 20, 2006 1:50 AM PDT

not what Maines' definition was...

as to the article? She says ''''The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism,'' Maines resumes, through gritted teeth. ''Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country? I don't see why people care about patriotism.'''' Does not state that she doesn't understand it... just doesn't see the necessity of it. Very different statement.

I was looking for some insight into you Evie, that is why I asked. You don't want to answer? OK.

grim

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My definition is the same as in the dictionary.
by Evie / June 20, 2006 7:38 AM PDT

Maines doesn't see a need for it.

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Nope
by null. / June 18, 2006 5:29 AM PDT

Cannot question that which does not now exist nor ever has existed. IMO she's really dumb, so are the rest of the Chicks - they should have long ago told her to shut up. It must be costing them millions and millions, unbelievable.

Don Erickson

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" they should have long ago told her to shut up."
by grimgraphix / June 19, 2006 12:52 AM PDT
In reply to: Nope

Who are "They"?

My opinion? Use it or lose it... ie... the exercise of free speech validates every casualty the US has ever had from 1775 to today.

They have the right to state their opinion as does everyone on this board. It's a wonderful thing!

What scares me is those who would punish them in one way or another for practicing their constitutional rights... ie... why do some of you hate the Bill of Rights?

grim

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they have the right to speak
by Mark5019 / June 19, 2006 1:05 AM PDT

as we have the right to not buy, listen or attend there music.
who loses by speaking? they did.

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Exactly Mark!
by grimgraphix / June 19, 2006 1:20 AM PDT

No one is forced to buy their music!

It's those folks who start talking about what should and should not be allowed that I'm talking about.

grim

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