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Noticed something on CBS News....

Nov 19, 2003 5:48PM PST

I just noticed something on CBS news on TV. It was a story by John Robert, their Chief White House Correspondent. It was a story about Bush's visit to England, and in an outdoor shot of Bush walking John Roberts said in his voice-over, "Concerns for the President's safety were evident in the bullet-proof vest he wore during outdoor ceremonies today.".
In my personal opinion, specifically calling attention to that was out of line. When I first heard that voice-over, I made a point of looking, as I such a thing did not catch my eye, but it was too late. I have worn them, and some might say that I'm more familiar with them than the average citizen, but if Bush were, It didn't catch my eye. I had to wait an hour for the overnight news wheel came around again to tape and then examine that story to form an opinion. That opinion means nothing, but the opinion of a CBS News coorespondent broadcast coast-to coast is another matter. There are a lot of "loons" out there. Should pointing out a hidden safety feature so publically and specifically be the best thing to say in such a news story.
Before people with a particular political adgenda go into the political "attack mode" based on the political party of Bush or what they may feel that mine might be, I would feel exactly the same way if the story had been about Bill Clinton. I would feel the same way if that story had been about Jimmy Carter or Gerald Ford.

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It is a problem, J.
Nov 19, 2003 6:00PM PST

Highlighting the vest tells those we don't like to know to make it a head shot.

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Limited protection at best.
Nov 19, 2003 6:11PM PST

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I think anyone out to assassinate the president would want to make sure he killed him and would probably aim for the head anyway.

However, you are right, the fact that he was wearing a bullet proof vest didn't need to be mentioned.

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Further thoughts, Rosalie...
Nov 19, 2003 6:45PM PST

Roasalie, a couple of further thoughts. Consider John Hinkley. Another party who was "not wound too tight", could have seen heaven knows what movie or whatever, and putting such information in his mind might not be the best thing.
Or Consider the case of John Lennon. He wasn't apparently, but if he had been, I would feel that info about him would also been "out of line".
I was a TV Network reporter in he past, but even back then, I felt some things were "out of line". If I had been the reporter covering this story I would have felt that same thing and not pointed it out.

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Not if they know what they're doing
Nov 19, 2003 10:46PM PST

Those who are being trained to shoot people, police, military, etc., are taught to aim at the body. It is far too easy to miss or graze the head.

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Anyone shooting at a president doesn't just want to shoot him. They
Nov 20, 2003 9:50AM PST

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want to kill him and the surest way is in the head. They most likely will only get one shot and it has to count.

Gee, this dialog is getting gruesome.
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That is exactly why...
Nov 21, 2003 5:59AM PST

head shots aren't taken very often except at extreme close (reach out and touch someone) range Rosalie.

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PS
Nov 21, 2003 6:04AM PST
"Gee, this dialog is getting gruesome."

Reminds me...

I planted some trees several years back I was counting on making logs from but didn't stop to think how long it would be until they grew some.
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(NT)<G>(NT)
Nov 21, 2003 9:03AM PST

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Well, guess so. Go for the big part.
Nov 21, 2003 9:05AM PST

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i agree its a shame idiots have to anounce safty features(NT)
Nov 19, 2003 9:20PM PST

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Re:Noticed something on CBS News....
Nov 19, 2003 9:44PM PST

That is really a shame.I too notice a lot of things said that shouldn't be. Just yesterday while watching the DA speak regarding the Michael jackson case. I was stunned when he made the remark after discussing the indictment that Jackson thinks we're just out to get him. Like me & the sheriff would buy that kind of music. These things are just uncalled for . I know this is far less of a travesty than revealing safety issues concerning the president. But people should pray every day for "God to keep one hand on their shoulder and the other over their mouth"

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Re:Re:Noticed something on CBS News....
Nov 19, 2003 10:21PM PST

I think that if the DA had phrased it differently, for example saying "We couldn't care less about Mr. Jackson's new CD; we're professionals doing our jobs" that might have gone over better.

As for Bush, I think it's fine if they say something after the fact, as when Bush made his appearance at Yankee Stadium shortly after 9/11. After it was over it was revealed that he had been wearing a bulletproof vest. I didn't see any harm in it. I remember an occasion when President Clinton was visiting NYC. My office at the time was near the Lincoln Tunnel and we saw the approaches get closed off and a motorcade go through. The next day we learned it was a decoy.

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The more often something is stated "in the news" ....
Nov 20, 2003 12:16AM PST

the more the fact tends to stick in someone's mind regardless of how tightly that mind is wrapped in the first place.

NO safety and security options should EVER be revealed regardless of how probable or common place they may seem.

How about an article about you and your home security system and a follow up that provides your address where you were interviewed and the camera crew followed you around? A little TOO MUCH unnecessary info don't you think?

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nt) well said.
Nov 20, 2003 9:39AM PST

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Re:The more often something is stated
Nov 20, 2003 11:03PM PST

I agree there should be limits. Some information (e.g. the fact that the President's limo is armored and has bulletproof windows) has been common knowledge for decades. The public wanted to know how safety measures were being improved after the JFK assassination (40 years ago tomorrow BTW). Revealing this basic info put the public at greater ease. And of course we all know about the Secret Service and some of the ways in which their procedures were changed after JFK.*

Enough information to assure the public that the President's security is being addressed, but not enough to help anyone get around it. Exactly where that line should be is a matter of opinion of course but I agree that if a news broadcaster says "this motorcade is a decoy; he's really coming in by chopper," that would be way over the line. If you find out a day later (as I did) that the motorcade was a decoy, yeah it tells you that they occasionally use decoy motorcades but I don't think it presents a security threat.

*On the night of 11/21/63, a number of JFK's Secret Service detail were out drinking until the wee hours, leaving them hung over and sleepy during the motorcade the next day. Several of them spent at least part of their evening at Jack Ruby's nightclub.

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Re:Re:The more often something is stated
Nov 21, 2003 6:39AM PST

""*On the night of 11/21/63, a number of JFK's Secret Service detail were out drinking until the wee hours, leaving them hung over and sleepy during the motorcade the next day. Several of them spent at least part of their evening at Jack Ruby's nightclub.""

Err. J...they couldn't have done anything any better that very next day if they had not been out drinking. Course everyone wished he was in his bullet proof limo, but he wanted everyone to have a chance to see him and Jackie. A "Pope-mobile" would have been great, but not invented then. I saw him twice the very previous day in the convertable limo with the same seating arrangements...Jackie..Connally & wife traveling in a motorcade through San Antonio and was very close to view.

Yes, so some of the Secret Service guys do go out & have a few drinks while away from home doing a stressful job. A friend of mine was in the Secret Service during that period of time on a Presidents detail and I have been out with several of them. They did not drink enough to have a hangover the next day.

JR