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Not sure I agree with part of this

by Steven Haninger / April 6, 2012 12:02 AM PDT
Mississippi could be abortion free

"The bill, which passed the state Senate on Wednesday, would require doctors performing abortions to be board-certified OB-GYNs and to have admitting privileges at a local hospital in case a woman undergoing an abortion needs to be immediately hospitalized."

While I'm not favorable to abortion as a birth control or family planning method, I don't see the OB-GYN qualification as being necessary. While some OB-GYNs will perform abortions and have the skills and knowledge to do so if needed for other reasons, abortions are on the low end of their competency level. Abortion doctors, for the most part, are single procedure providers and get good at what they do. OB-GYN is really the marriage of two disciplines dealing with female diseases as well as maternity care. I cannot see an OB-GYN remaining in good stead with his/her peers unless regularly performing the full range of services they can offer. No doctor who does abortions almost exclusively could really remain fully OB-GYN competent.
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It just reinforces...
by Pepe7 / April 6, 2012 1:43 AM PDT

...the northern stereotype that Mississippi (and similar states) are backwater locales. No wonder why doctors aren't flocking there to work.

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God Loves Mississippi
by James Denison / April 6, 2012 3:45 AM PDT
In reply to: It just reinforces...

more so now than many northern states.

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It just so happens that Mississippi has one of the
by Steven Haninger / April 6, 2012 3:50 AM PDT
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highest abortion rates among black women in this country. I don't know what to make of it but I think Margaret Sanger would approve. I don't. Sad

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The result will be....
by Josh K / April 6, 2012 2:19 AM PDT

....more illegal abortions if it's harder to get a legal one.

Anyone who thinks making it harder to get an abortion will put an end to them is kidding themselves. Plenty of them were performed before it was legalized, most of them under less than ideal conditions.

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Not at all
by Steven Haninger / April 6, 2012 3:45 AM PDT
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There are specialists in many medical fields. All medical students rotate through a variety of services before entering their chosen specialty. Even pathologists who will never see live patients other than pieces and parts of them will rotate through the various services but never get good at what they don't practice. Abortion doctors don't need to know about managing difficult pregnancies or fertility issues. They don't care to know about managing causes of birth trauma during those last hours before delivery. They don't care about diagnosing diseases of female organs either and they won't be worth a hoot as an OB-GYN if they don't immerse themselves in practicing it. These guys and gals do abortions and can make a ton of money more than a good practicing OB-GYN. They don't need their full credentials and it won't make them better at plying their trade. It should be its own specialty and allow only those who are OK with dealing with performing elective abortions all day long. Of course government could always try to force all OB-GYNs to accept abortion cases or seek other work. I hope that never happens.

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not by much
by James Denison / April 6, 2012 3:46 AM PDT
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people who are lazy about protecting against conception, will also be lazy about seeking abortion which isn't easily available, instead bringing the child to term, another life saved.

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Sorry, but....
by Josh K / April 6, 2012 4:20 AM PDT
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.....history says otherwise. And it may shock you to learn that no method of birth control is 100% effective; you can use condoms, the pill etc. and still get pregnant.

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and fewer abortions overall
by James Denison / April 6, 2012 6:40 AM PDT
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maybe a necessary tradeoff if not to stop the carnage, to lower it.

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(NT) And more dead girls
by Diana Forum moderator / April 6, 2012 11:20 PM PDT
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this is a less than perfect world
by James Denison / April 7, 2012 2:27 AM PDT
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sometimes the balance of choices is between something that's bad and something that's horrible and no real middle ground.

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you would agree with it
by James Denison / April 6, 2012 3:44 AM PDT

if you researched the low standards in abortion clinics and the resulting infections and deaths.

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by Steven Haninger / April 6, 2012 3:52 AM PDT

If we're going to have abortion on demand, you make abortion doctors their own specialty and give them their own training. They are qualified to do abortions and that's it.

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I have a question
by TONI H / April 6, 2012 7:18 AM PDT

Since the majority here in SE are men who actually think abortion should continue to be an option because birth control isn't always effective, how come I never see anybody stepping up to the plate and suggesting vasectomies? Including the president.

We continue to discuss/debate WOMEN'S healthcare that includes contraception which ranges from condoms (women DO buy them), the pill, IUD's, the 'ring', implants, the morning after pill, tubal ligations, and abortions....but when the hell do the MEN take responsibility and get vasectomies?

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a good question
by James Denison / April 6, 2012 7:43 AM PDT
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my neighbor did it. His wife was so badly affected by Norplant it was the only other sure option available for them. They already had 4 children. Men who've had all the children they want should take that option.

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I can't answer that. It's another topic altogether
by Steven Haninger / April 6, 2012 7:56 AM PDT
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I'm fairly certain vasectomies are commonly performed by urologists but that's another procedure that won't tax the doctor's skills. As well, urologists deal with both men and women. The point of my OP was that I saw no need to have board certified OB-GYNs do abortions when they could be a separate skill. As I understand it, most abortion clinic doctors trained as OB-GYNs but focus on pregnancy terminations only. Of course they should have some understanding of such as ectopic types of pregnancies that require other than standard tools and instruments but they've no need for the great majority of the services these doctors can provide. Here are my two reasons.

I'd not want some abortion doctor with limited training and no experience with most of what OB-GYN offers to be considered credentialed in that area enough to use it as a fallback or be used as an expert witness in a malpractice suit. There are doctors who are "hired guns" for this purpose. I suspect an abortion doctor might not have the highest ethical standards in regard to respect for medical practice.

Secondly, I'd wonder how this would affect medical schools that are needed to turn out good doctors. Because pregnancy termination can be such a lucrative career, we could flood these schools with persons who have no interest in the general OB-GYN practice and shortchange those who really need their services.

Thirdly, I also do not want to see government forcing OB-GYNs to learn and provide abortion services that they may not care to participate in. I believe that concern is already under discussion. If only OB-GYNs can do abortions and abortions are to be made universally available, it's going to become a curriculum and certification requirement for all of these physicians...like it or not.

I can see no reason why, for elective purposes only, that part of the skill set can't be spun off. If someone wants to make their living doing abortions, they should not hide among those who offer the full range of services and care that this specialty really offers.

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that considered
by James Denison / April 6, 2012 8:03 AM PDT

separating it from OB-GYN service might allow those who wish to be doctors with an eye toward life still be able to do so, rather than resigning because the govt is attempting to force them to give abortions against their own conscience based on long standing moral principles which some no longer adhere to, but worse want to force their lack of continuance in that moral belief upon others.

Your problem in seeing this occur is it exposes the differences between them so drastically that the abortionist can no longer try and use OB-GYN as a cover over the abortion matter.

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Yes it is a good question
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / April 7, 2012 12:09 AM PDT
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It wouldn't bother me.

An interesting point though, some religions, namely RC, disagree with birth control. The Pope continuously refuses to sanction contraception and is against abortion in any form.

Would he argue against this as well?


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Yes he would argue that but the not all would understand
by Steven Haninger / April 7, 2012 1:08 AM PDT

if he spoke in the manner that Jesus spoke. That manner was to not answer questions directly but to give the questioner enough to think about so that he could derive the best answer himself. Consider that you are given a loving gift by a skilled crafts person. Would you dismantle it for its parts? Would you remove that which was displeasing to you and replace parts with those you preferred? If you did these things, would it be proper for that crafts person to see this as a rejection of his work? Happy

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