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North Korea, Subs, and Nuclear Weapons

by Dan McC / August 23, 2004 3:28 AM PDT
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Re: North Korea, Subs, and Nuclear Weapons
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / August 23, 2004 3:31 AM PDT

Hi, Dan.

>>Can anyone guess why a Washington Times editorial said this was nothing to worry about?<<
Maybe because the Rev Moon's church owns the paper?

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(NT) (NT) *DING* A winner! ! !
by Dan McC / August 23, 2004 4:28 AM PDT
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I would not defend Rev. Moon on any account, but
by Kiddpeat / August 23, 2004 6:58 AM PDT

the lack of outrage was most apparent when Bill Clinton gave missile technology to the Chinese. It was no big deal then, why should it be now?

BTW, we have a pretty good idea where Rev. Moon gets his money, but where did he get subs? Wasn't 1994 part of Clinton's term? Who should we be outraged with?

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You've hit the nail right on the
by Dan McC / August 23, 2004 7:02 AM PDT

index finger, the thumb twice, and put two nice dings in the lumber.

Dan

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Of right! I forgot the first rule of the left. It's George's
by Kiddpeat / August 23, 2004 7:17 AM PDT

fault! It doesn't matter that it happened on Clinton's watch! It's still George's fault!

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Re: Of right! I forgot the first rule of the left. It's Geor
by Dan McC / August 23, 2004 8:06 AM PDT

What a strange and limiting thing that you view everything through narrow bush-is-always-right lens.

Everything isn't party politics.

Dan

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I guess it comes from things like this...
by Kiddpeat / August 23, 2004 10:06 AM PDT
PS: Where's the antiamerican outrage over this huge conservative supporter's activities?

Now, who do you suppose conservatives support? BTW, I didn't say Bush is right. I said he's not involved in this incident.
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All you have is a hammer
by Dan McC / August 23, 2004 12:39 PM PDT

and all you hit is your thumb.

Dan

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Re: North Korea, Subs, and Nuclear Weapons
by Paul C / August 23, 2004 10:47 AM PDT

Dan,

Much ado about nothing, IMO. Here's why:

The piece you cite as presumably "expert" describes the subs as "12 G and H class Soviet submarines". A brief overview of those boats can be found here.

All you need to know about these boats is that they were obsolete, as were the SS-N-5 missles (range: 2,000 nautical miles) at least 20 years before the NK's got them. They're the pinnacle of Soviet sub technology circa 1960: slow, unsafe (at least the nuclear powered Hotel-class boats; the Soviets didn't much care if they lost the odd submariner to massive radiation poisoning) and above all, noisy - really, REALLY noisy.

If, in the event of a dustup between the NK's and the U.S., they actually tried to put these boats out to sea on attack missions: 1) We'd have Los Angeles-class (SSN 688) or Seawolf-class (SSN 21) subs parked on those boats' tails almost from the time they cleared NK territorial waters, and 2) They'd never get anywhere near missile launch range of the U.S. mainland.

IOW, those boats' crews would have a very exciting, VERY short and ultimately woefully unsuccessful war.

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Re: North Korea, Subs, and Nuclear Weapons
by Dragon / August 23, 2004 12:32 PM PDT

Also, our subs would be able to 'see' them, but they wouldnt be able to 'see' our subs. Ours are a lot quieter, now.

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