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No one above Sgt will be investigated for Abu Ghraib

by Ziks511 / May 2, 2005 5:52 PM PDT

Why am I not surprised, and why is Mark not outraged.

Commanders responsible for Abu Ghraib

By HELEN THOMAS
HEARST NEWSPAPERS

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon has got to be kidding. It turns out that only those rogue enlisted men and women and one woman general are to blame for the horrifying treatment of prisoners and detainees of the Iraqi war, according to Lt. Gen. Stanley Green, the Army inspector general.

He cleared four senior army officers of any responsibility for the abuse of prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison after reviewing the results of 10 separate inquiries into the prison abuse, some of which the world was able to view though photos.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/222240_thomas01.html

Rob

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why a soldier know the rules
by Mark5019 / May 2, 2005 10:40 PM PDT

and i dont think what they did was wrong.
no one should be charged.

and since the "pc" crowd thinks its wrong the officers didnt do it.

the soldiers that did should get medals to bad they cant do it more get more intel

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(NT) The classic Tom Sawyer investigation.
by Dan McC / May 3, 2005 12:12 AM PDT
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(NT) Whatever on earth that could mean. ??
by Kiddpeat / May 3, 2005 12:35 AM PDT
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(NT) Spot on, and a great analogy. Thanks Dan.
by Ziks511 / May 3, 2005 8:12 AM PDT
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(NT) Thank you for noticing ;-)
by Dan McC / May 3, 2005 11:02 PM PDT
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Spot off and a lousy analogy
by EdH / May 5, 2005 11:23 AM PDT

Got any evidence outside of your prejudice? Any at all?

Perhaps a better explanation can be found here:

LINK

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Ummmm, did I miss something? Even the short excerpt you
by Kiddpeat / May 3, 2005 12:34 AM PDT

provided said a general was among those being blamed. Your thread topic is false unless you are saying that this general won't be, and wasn't, investigated.

One top of that, your excerpt says that four senior Army officers were investigated by ten separate inquiries.

The usual hatchet job just hatcheted you Rob.

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No, I screwed up, I should have said "Above Sgt with the
by Ziks511 / May 4, 2005 8:44 AM PDT

exception of General" (I've forgotten her name). Apologies to all for my mistake.

Thanks KP, good call. I still find it kind of peculiar that no chain of command has been found responsible, only individuals, and only one over the level of Sgt. Is it just me but isn't there a whiff of the old MASH movie line "What about Hotlips?" Ah, screw her." (she's only a woman).

Rob

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Aah Rob. You've fallen into the trap. She's a woman, so it
by Kiddpeat / May 4, 2005 9:18 AM PDT

doesn't count.

'she's only a woman'

I thought women were supposed to be full fledged members of the armed forces, but when she's responsible and it hits the fan; she's only a woman, so it doesn't really count that she was charged.

I guess it only counts if they find that a man is responsible, because only men really have responsibility anyway. Right? It doesn't matter that she was in charge of the prison, or that the higher command has been investigated and cleared 10 times. It will only count when they charge those guys.

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I suspect the old boys club in the military find it easier
by Ziks511 / May 5, 2005 3:32 PM PDT

to ditch a woman in that situation than they would a man. But that's just my opinion.

Rob

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(NT) (NT) and as you can speak from experiance :)
by Mark5019 / May 5, 2005 10:21 PM PDT
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It's discrimination when the officer in charge is considered
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 10:55 PM PDT

responsible for what happened, but a whitewash when higher command levels, who had no reason to look closely at that one specific location, are cleared.

Sounds like good liberal logic. The general is not responsible because the general is a woman in a man's world. Next we'll be hearing that her performance suffered only at certain times of the month. Can you possibly conceive of a man in charge at the prison being exonerated?

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And IF that were true ...
by Evie / May 6, 2005 1:33 AM PDT

... it would only undo the tipping in the other direction of affirmative action social engineering of our military.

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No one above Sgt
by Cindi Haynes / May 3, 2005 3:27 AM PDT

Hi Rob,

My understanding was that investigations WERE carried out, and the higher-ups were cleared. If they were investigated and cleared, then we're supposed to blame them anyway?

I guess Ms. Thomas must sensationalize non-stories since no one will talk to her anymore.

--Cindi
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Would Helen Thomas do that?
by EdH / May 4, 2005 11:59 AM PDT
In reply to: No one above Sgt

I am shocked! Shocked! I thought she was completely fair and nonpartisan.

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Update
by JP Bill / May 4, 2005 4:15 AM PDT
Judge doubts US soldier's guilt

The court martial of a US woman soldier who admitted abusing detainees in Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail has been halted over doubts about her guilty plea.

A judge delayed the hearing for three hours saying: "There is evidence being presented that you are not guilty."
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Old saying : sergeants run the Army
by EdH / May 4, 2005 12:11 PM PDT

It's entirely feasible that the lower ranks are up to highjinks the superiors are unaware of. I've seen this many times; it's not uncommon.

Why do you assume it goes higher after numerous investigations? Do you have evidence the rest of the world is unaware of?

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well this says dif
by Mark5019 / May 5, 2005 9:22 AM PDT
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