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No keyboard, no mouse, no access

We have a day care center with a number of computers for the children to use. Because they like to play around I can never be sure what kind of problems they will create and I find myself frequently reloading WIN98 rather than trying to reverse what they may have done. One computer loads the original WIN98 OS but I am getting no power to the keyboard and the mouse does not work. I swapped both out with known working components, but no luck. On boot the system checks the floppy drive, but does not check the CD drive (and since my WIN98 copy is on a CD I cannot boot from the CD). About 10 seconds after loading to the desktop it defaults to a third party screen saver (not loaded by me) which scrolls "HELLOOOOOOOOOOO" across the screen. Since I have no keyboard or mouse I cannot do anything
...cannot get into "setup" or into "safe mode". Any suggestions, besides a boat anchor?

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Does the keyboard work during boot [in DOS] before

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the Operating System starts to install? One way to find out is to hit the key9s0 that it takes to get into the BIOS.

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If you or the kids didn't create that screensaver, I would suggest that you check it immediately for viruses...........

BUT you would have to either get access with it to the internet by networking it to a system already on the net since you have no mouse or keyboard to get there with,

OR you would have to use a bootdisk on a floppy disk to check it for viruses. Did you make one for that computer ahead of time via your virus program?

TONI

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This computer is never connected to the net and is not to have third party programs installed. However, even Los Alamos has security problems. Can I make a boot disk from another WIN98 system that has an anti-virus program and use it?

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Most anti-virus programs will let you make an emergency diskette to use on a stubborn system. Be sure to make it read-only.

A few other remarks:
- You might find a program like DriveImage or Ghost useful. You can use it to write a fully installed system and working system to CD and restore it as needed. It's much faster (and more reliable) than reinstalling Windows 98 from scratch.
- Why not simply use a boot diskette (read-only also, of course) to delete and remake the partition on the hard drive before installing. That way, only a virus in the master boot record will survive (and fdisk /mbr will take care of that).
- I get the impression this could very well be some hardware problem. You'll see it fast enough if you get the system booting from a boot diskette, run fdisk and format, and start installing Windows.

Kees

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You were right about at least one mechanical problem. I found an old MS boot disk for WIN98 but could not insert it into the floppy drive. Something is preventing entry. I will replace drive tomorrow and then use the boot disk as you suggested. Thanks.

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I would think then

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that the bios is automatically set to HALT ON ALL ERRORS, and since it looks for a floppy drive immediately, that could be the problem you have in that it is stopping everything in its tracks. I would either remove the battery for a few minutes and put it back in so that the BIOS resets itself (normally it will reset to HALT ON ALL ERRORS EXCEPT KEYBOARD so that you have access at least to the bios) or move the jumper on the CMOS pins on the motherboard (they are clearly marked) to the OFF position for a few minutes, then move it back to the ON position and try booting back up.

TONI

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How will you ype he commands in?????

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With no keyboard???

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(NT) (NT) ype he =type the LOL And I had a keyboard.

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Ray,

If the keyboard doesn't work after booting from a boot diskette, it's surely a hardware problem. I'm afraid they have a bunch of mixed old hardware there nobody else wants anymore and I wouldn't be amazed if sometimes some of it fails. The system manager at such a place must be very good in replacing motherboards, power supplies, graphic cards and other components, to make one working machine out of two broken ones. And with most changes, you need to make a new image of the disk. It's no fun being responsible for the systems there, if my view of the situation is correct.

Kees

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Yes Kees, you are probbly correct.

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Got any relatives that own a Boat Dealership on Lake Wallenpaupck Pennsylvnia USA???

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Relatives.

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Ray,

I don't get the reason behind the question, but the answer definitely is no.

Kees

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