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New Sony TV Advice for Starter:

Hello All,

I need some input/advice, for purchase of new tv.

I am a Sony Fan, with a very tight budget.

I would like to purchase a new Sony 4K HDR Television.

My budget is less that $1K, I love to watch sports and movies.

I would like a 50", I have really been interested in the Sony 49" XBR-49X700D. (the price is great for me) also, the Sony does not have to be 4K.
I want to make sure the Sony is up to date present and future technology.

Can anyone recommend this Sony, or any other Sony I can look into?

Thank you,
Michael

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Mixed reviews. Here's the Amazon tip I'd want to have

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If I bought this model, I'd want to keep this tip handy.

"Out of the box you will not be happy. But go to settings and enable "Enhanced HDMI" And select Reality function to Auto and this TV comes to life. It up scales cable, XBOX One and also supports Netflix 4K and HDR. Stunning picture. Why does Sony make you work to find these settings? Anyway, awesome TV for the money! Not sure why It is getting mixed reviews?"
More at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FWIEKVY/ref=asc_df_B01FWIEKVY4926290?tag=cnet-ce-20

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Thank You!

In reply to: Mixed reviews. Here's the Amazon tip I'd want to have

Thanks for the tip Happy

Yes, I really like the Price, I could have enough $$ left over for a Sony Sound Bar Package Happy

When you say "Out of the box you will not be happy." I would not get an open box, I like New in Box, but if it was an open box, what would be the issue?

Thanks,
Michael

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Not about open box.

In reply to: Thank You!

Just the comment had a tip about settings after you get it out of the box and setup.

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Thank You!

In reply to: Not about open box.

Awesome, Thank you!

I am now considering now the 55" for $150 more Happy Such Great Prices!

Thanks!

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Be careful!

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I bought a new 55" Sony and it has a very bad cloud in the middle of the screen. Sony considers this a normal thing in their tv and won't do anything about it. So my advice to you to test it in a dark room with no source of light , on a full black image and if you see problems return it. Also don't forget to look for dead/stuck pixels.

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Don't Buy A Sony

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They used to be the benchmark and I have over a long time bought a lot of their product. My TV a Sony KDL-55W800B lasted less than 3 years Sony replied: Hi Christopher, we apologize for not meeting your expectations. It is difficult for Sony or any other manufacturer to quote the life expectancy for a product. Certain variables, such as the amount of use (or lack thereof) a product receives and the environmental conditions in which a product is being used, play a part in the life expectancy of a product. Regards, Dave.
Great response really makes me want to replace my dead Sony with a new Sony.
If they are going to source poor quality materials to keep the margins up, at least back your product when the cheap "stuff" inside fails.

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They were truthful.

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I worked in a lot of areas over the years from design, code and reliability. Any maker if honest would tell you the same.

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Truth

In reply to: They were truthful.

Truth is "planned obsolescence". Companies are cutting costs to maintain margins for shareholder return. They are pushing the envelope as to how little time their products will last: the shorter lifespan the more replacements needed thereby the more opportunity for profit. Dangerous brand devaluation game being played by what used to be high quality almost infallible brands. Sadly looks like Sony is playing that game and I guess the truth is I lost. I can only not buy another Sony product ever again.

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Makers hate me for this.

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Ready?

"Five year designs." This doesn't mean it will hit 5 years. Appliances tend to be 10 year designs now and cell phones? "Two year designs."

That's not obsolescence but just outright life span reduction due to consumers wanting the lowest cost. No engineer I know has ever knowingly reduced product life span to make it fail sooner. But they are beat up to deliver the cheapest design possible that will meet some failure rate. The driving force has been for quite some time, the money.

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Ready

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I am very familiar with product life cycle. I would have been happy with 5 years. Actually would have been happy had Sony offered some sort of goodwill at all.

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off topic, but...

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"I would have been happy with 5 years."

I just finished 10 years with this hard drive, but time to retire it. Have new one on order. It was one of the "good" Seagates, before they hit the "rapid failing" TB sizes. Must give credit where due. However, Linux MUST change their smartctl command since it says "PASSED" and there's no way it's a "PASSED" drive now.

~ $ sudo smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sda
[sudo] password for mint16: ***********************
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [i686-linux-3.13.0-100-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.9
Device Model: ST3120814A
Serial Number: 4LS4Q736
Firmware Version: 3.AAJ
User Capacity: 120,034,123,776 bytes [120 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA/ATAPI-7 (minor revision not indicated)
Local Time is: Tue Dec 12 10:38:09 2017 EST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 118 086 006 Pre-fail Always - 182604101
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 094 094 000 Pre-fail Always - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 096 096 020 Old_age Always - 5033
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 072 052 030 Pre-fail Always - 77573369571
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 079 079 000 Old_age Always - 18753
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 096 096 020 Old_age Always - 4322
187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 065 050 045 Old_age Always - 35 (Min/Max 30/35)
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 035 050 000 Old_age Always - 35 (0 13 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 072 047 000 Old_age Always - 88008664
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
202 Data_Address_Mark_Errs 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 10 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)

(jd- a list of the errors followed, not included here)
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Pardon, excuse, give me some road here.

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In my career I've been designer, reliability engineer and other work. Product life cycle (PLC) is about something else. PLC is about the design, manufacturing, and maintenance of the product where as life span is statistics and design.

For decades folk have asked "How long will it last?" only to be given MTBF (see google.)
MTBF is an odd idea at first but does not give you life span at all but the mean time before failure. It didn't tell you this would last so long, just on average the produced device would work till failure. In Real Life (IRL) you get a Bath Tub Curve. That is well known in reliability circles.

So while you are really upset over not getting as many years no one maker so far has done better than the others. Pick any name and you will find someone like you.

Wrap up. If you can swing it, get the longest warranty you can next time.

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Not drinking the Kool Aid

In reply to: Pardon, excuse, give me some road here.

Sadly "someone" like you accepts low standards and mediocrity. I don't. The more people accepting less value the more manufacturers can get away with. Anyway I am sure you were quite knowledgeable and competent over your career you seem to have a very good grasp of acronyms. Sorry I am that "someone" who expects good value. Do you work for Sony?

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Never wrote I accepted it.

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Only that I felt the persons you talked to were truthful and that except for a few makers (Barco for example) you won't see much better quality in the consumer brands when we get into life span.

And quality can't beat the reliability issue. The only way to beat the reliability issue and this is just you and me discussing here, is a long warranty.

-> Now step into my WayBack Machine and let's recall how long the warranties were when Color TVs came out. It was not uncommon to find 8 year warranties on the Picture Tube. Today I think consumers clamored too hard for low price and let makers slide on warranty duration.

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Ok you got me there

In reply to: Never wrote I accepted it.

Sorry. I have always bought what I perceived high end brands; Sony being one of them. You must be close to my age because I remember the warranty on tube TVs too. If I remember correctly I think Sony offered a lifetime on their tubes. Ah well such is life.

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Sony Bravia

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Go For the 49x8200e

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dont buy sony

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I don't know why anyone still buys sony. their customer service alone would make most reconsider. also check samsung.... they offer u more for less and actually back up their products... sony has way too many customer sverice horror stories.

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Don't buy a Sony

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Know what you mean firsthand... My Sony TV a KDL-55W800B lasted less than 3 years Sony replied: Hi Christopher, we apologize for not meeting your expectations. It is difficult for Sony or any other manufacturer to quote the life expectancy for a product. Certain variables, such as the amount of use (or lack thereof) a product receives and the environmental conditions in which a product is being used, play a part in the life expectancy of a product. Regards, Dave.

If not of the cost of replacing the poor quality piece, I would find Dave's response almost comical

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