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Net neutrality (the thread for everyone! your 2 cents plz!)

Feb 4, 2009 8:20AM PST

I am writing a paper about net neutrality. So am asking everyone to put in there thoughts about net neutrality down here. Links, news articles, known knowledge, experiences, predictions, opinions, even to comment to say you don't care all of that is information I would be thankful for. Please also tell me where you got your information if its more than your opinion or BOL news.

Pros and cons would be the best considering my actual assignment is to write a persuasive paper on a current debated issue, but if you just wanna vent that's totally cool and welcomed.

sincerely,
maf the UW student
listener since the 300s

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We've had some pretty rollicking dicsussions on this
Feb 5, 2009 8:58AM PST

So why not help a fellow buzzer out, eh?

My feeling is that net neutrality should be a function of competition. When an ISP manages a network in a ways that degrades your ability to get the content you want, say YouTube, you should be able to switch networks.


That way there isn't undue pressure on a company like Google to give in to paying for prioritized content. The Internet works best when the customers self-regulate.

The problem with this approach is the lack of competition. While most areas have several choices of DSL, most people aren't aware they have those choices. And if you need more speed than DSL provides you're pretty well stuck with one option (cable) unless you live in a Verizon FIOS or ATT U-Verse area.

So instead of regulating net neutrality by law, which I find smakcs of the same forcing of an issue that brought us DRM, I think the emphasis needs to be on fostering competition for Internet access.

The other option is to bring the Internet entirely under government regulation. But having a government-supported olihgopoly whoich dampens competition and yet provides no consumer protection is living int he worst of both worlds.

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Net Neutraility
Feb 6, 2009 1:24AM PST

Is just a concept it does not exist anywhere and nor should it.

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net neutrality or ISP control now
Feb 6, 2009 1:49AM PST

My ISP that I have now does throttle down my internet speed during peak hours, and it is quite noticeable. Do people feel this is the same issue or something different, as of right now I feel it?s a big part of it. Sure the ISP isnt picking and choosing websites, but its making my experience of the internet worse.

And it is the ISP I have friends who have the same provider and we all get slowed at the same times.

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Neutrality
Feb 6, 2009 3:46AM PST

It would be amazing if net neutrality worked correctly, but I have a feeling we will be seeing less and less of it. The problem that I see with it is that it isn't necessarily shared equally. If there are four people on a pipe, and three are heavy bittorrent users, then with perfect net neutrality, person number four could be left with extremely slow access due to the large amount of traffic being piped to the other three...

It could also be that with full net neutrality, everyone has the same priority on the line, so the three bittorrent users would be throttled down while a webpage was loading for the web surfer. I guess it would completely depend on the way in which net neutrality was used.

For single user neutrality, I think it would be very nice if you had a choice on your connection. If all modems/routers had built in traffic regulation(yes, I know, some do now) then people with VOIP or other services that need to have priority could arrange their own traffic.

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That's not in violation of net neutrality
Feb 6, 2009 7:28PM PST

What would be, is if they only throttled certain services. Like p2p or voip. If they just throttle all data, that's treating all packets the same way, and hence neutral.

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Eh
Feb 6, 2009 7:40PM PST

The problem is that ISP's and backbone companies don't want to spend the money to provide the capacity that their users need. They'd rather throttle service or use download quotas.
The consequences of this, is that in harms the ability to innovative by discouraging heavy data use. The newest applications of the internet are going to be data heavy. And this is exactly what you expect and want, if internet keeps getting faster, people have to find ways to make use of that performance. Look at what broadband has given us so far, youtube, hulu, google earth... Lack of net neutrality will make it a lot harder to arrive at things like HD streaming.
Some regulation on ISP's, can provide for a much more competitive and innovative market for internet companies. As these ISP's are compelled to slow down the rate of progress to avoid network upgrade costs.
Perhaps the regulation should not be in the form of net neutrality though, but to encourage greater competition in the ISP industry. Tom is probably right that competition could solve it. On the other hand.... competition doesn't necessarily mean that they'll do away with quotas. We have plenty of competition here in Australia, but bandwidth is more expensive due to isolation and small size of the country, so ISP's all turn to quotas.